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  1. gembo
    Member

    U could shop those cats to the polis. Ah wait….

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Ooh look

    https://goo.gl/maps/pYADF5owJS6BfSQP7

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. ejstubbs
    Member

    And if you swing the view around, there are many unoccupied spaces in the car park.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/queensferry-road-hgv-driver-blocks-entire-pavement-to-take-driving-break-3460109

    Notable mainly for the police actually taking enforcement action.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Wrong thread

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    The 3 drivers that "suddenly" decided to leave the Disabled marked parking bays on Castle St on appearance of a traffic warden. All performing 3-point turns in front of one another.

    Including one who then proceeded to nearly run down a pedestrian on the zebra crossing in her haste to get away.

    Hmmm.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Serious stuff

    Two arrested as neighbours say there had been disputes about parking in area

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/23/somerset-couple-stabbed-to-death-as-young-children-sleep-upstairs

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. urchaidh
    Member

    There's been a stickering. Am guessing someone on here was involved.
    https://twitter.com/urchaidh/status/1464924337568366595?t=u-rznUuUGcwoo1towI2w8w&s=19

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. 14Westfield
    Member

    @urchaidh Oh dear that’s terrible.

    Where can one buy such stickers?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. ejstubbs
    Member

    @urchaidh: "There's been a stickering." You make it sound like an episode of Taggart!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. boothym
    Member

    Maybe they've been watching some StopXam videos? :)

    https://www.youtube.com/c/StopaDouchebag

    https://www.youtube.com/c/StopaDouchebagWorld

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. fimm
    Member

    Two cars parked in the cycle lanes on Lanark Road yesterday.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. MediumDave
    Member

    Heading down the Dalkeith Road bus lane towards Cameron Toll this a.m and stopped at the lights at Priestfield. Directly opposite me a van was parked 85% on the pavement with the remainder in the active bus lane. 3 pedestrians had to squeeze into the hedge to get past.

    Some short way behind me sits PC McPlod in his van, also parked in the active bus lane.

    <rule 2>s given about the blatant obstruction: None

    Postscript:

    When the lights changed I set off. Boy wonder in the pavement-parked van decides that this is an auspicious time to start trying to pull out necessitating a rather late lane change to go round the van.

    Nice sunrise though

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. ejstubbs
    Member

    Volvo estate double-parked outside the Buckstone shops yesterday afternoon, thus obstructing northbound cycle lane. The driver had activated the vehicle's hazard lights, however, so that was OK. (Not.)

    Turned out that the hazard warning was valid, though, since they decided to pull out in front of me apparently without any rearward check - and without signalling because their hazard lights were still flashing (thus compounding pointlessness with dangerousness and, arguably, illegality).

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. jonty
    Member

    I really wish people would stop using their hazards for things like that. It doesn't help, it doesn't have any legal validity, and it just adds confusion. The "moving hazard" is a recent and irritating phenomenon, but also bad is the uncertainty (when you can only see the right hand side of a car) as to whether they're indicating to pull out or just have their hazards on and will stay put. What's wrong with just leaving your left indicator on if you really want to have something flashing?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. acsimpson
    Member

    Hazard lights are a flawed design. The flash pattern should really be different to the indicators. whether that is using a different colour or simply something like a 3 quick one slow flash pattern. Either way it would be possible to tell from one light whether a car is indicating or creating a hazard.

    That isn't a solution to cars using them illegally of course.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. jonty
    Member

    Yes, and I guess not really thought about when the intended use was simply drawing attention to a car stranded in the middle of a pitch black country road, or to alert the car directly behind to some problem ahead.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. bill
    Member

    Did you notice that Lothian Buses often use emergency lights when parked in a bus bay (at least on Calder Rd)? I am not quite sure what it means (don't think it's emergency as they would mean they have many emergencies).

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. jonty
    Member

    Yes, they seem to use hazards to mean "I'll be here for a while" as opposed to when they're just stopping for pick-up/drop-off - I've spotted it on North Bridge (when they used to stop there...) It seems pretty consistent so is probably trained.

    I have some sympathy with it as it's presumably necessary for drivers at busy stops to know whether the bus in front is 'stopping' or 'standing', but it creates the same ambiguity when you're going past and there's another bus behind and all you can see is the right indicator.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. bill
    Member

    @jonty that makes sense, agrees with my observations.

    "but it creates the same ambiguity when you're going past and there's another bus behind and all you can see is the right indicator."

    Exactly that.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. neddie
    Member

    Back in the day...

    If you broke down you got out of your car and placed a red reflective triangle in the road 100 yds up, which it was mandatory to carry.

    Then someone decided it was too much of a faff to do that and so they decided flashing all the indicators of the car would be an easier option for your lazy driver. This only required manufacturers to fit a new switch and upgrade the bi-metallic strip that created the flashing switching on the rudimentary indicator system.

    Now that it's all electronicallised via CAN buses (the car's IT network) it could certainly be "improved" to avoid confusion, or add further to it, or create sexy lighting patterns to say, "hey, look at me, aren't I big and high status."

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. MediumDave
    Member

    Maybe Lothian Buses could get the special authorisation needed to fit the amber rotating lights seen on breakdown lorries etc.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. ejstubbs
    Member

    @jonty: I really wish people would stop using their hazards for things like that. It doesn't help, it doesn't have any legal validity, and it just adds confusion.

    I agree: there's no way of knowing whether the vehicle is actually broken down, or the driver is just an arrogant, entitled, lazy male-chicken-womble.

    I had a delivery by DPD earlier this afternoon. The driver left his hazards on even though his van was parked entirely legally and not causing an unreasonable obstruction in any way (not even with two wheels up on the footway). Since he then drove the van away, it was clearly functioning normally. So the above two options one could add "the driver has just got in to the habit of doing it all the time" ie for them the poor behaviour has become normalised.

    I agree that use of hazards for anything other than the purposes laid out in the HC really ought to be discouraged. But then there is so much other illegal and/or inconsiderate driver behaviour, much of it potentially much more dangerous, about which next to nothing seems to be done. See: habitual speeding, mobile phone use, etc etc. It has somehow been allowed to become a jungle out there, but any attempt to rein in poor behaviour always seems be attacked as part of the "war on motorists" by gammon-leaning media, and end up being quietly suffocated by the PTB, often by deploying legislation that is - either deliberately or otherwise - poorly thought out, inadequte, or impractical to enforce.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. Yodhrin
    Member

    Aye, at this point it's fairly clear that the enforcement failings are deliberate, because they have the option of using "citizen-cam" to catch almost every kind of illegal driving and parking(I can *just* about accept the idea they need special cameras for speed enforcement). It *seems* like a win all-around; cops get to catch more baddies, councils would get a huge influx of cash from parking violations in the short and medium term, and in the long term it should force behaviour change that would increase road safety and make cities more pleasant to walk in. It doesn't cost them a lot of money either, compared to a lot of the "road safety initiatives" they spaff away money on.

    That they're still dragging their heels about even implementing online reporting for *just* the most obvious, dangerous lawbreaking beggars belief, unless there are ulterior motives at play("there but for the grace of god..." bad drivers can also be politicians & cops & judges; car industry lobbyists; not wanting to rile the motor-voters; just generally being car-brained idiots).

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. CocoShepherd
    Member

    Indicating with my arm out to turn right yesterday and thankfully it was quiet enough that I heard a car approaching behind, so I turned to check over my shoulder. Lady in Chelsea tractor waving dementedly as though my indication to turn right was actually a friendly wave as she passed. Of course she ploughed on without slowing down and overtook me at/on the junction. At least she was a friendly dangerous driver.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

  29. chdot
    Admin

    This is a problem because??

    AN SNP minister has been accused of attempting to “frighten the life out of businesses” after confirming there will be no upper limit for councils to charge workers to park at work under contentious proposals to raise revenue for transport infrastructure.

    The Scottish Government is handing powers to councils to introduce workplace parking levels, as authorities can do in England and Wales, which would mean workers wishing to park at their work would face a fee or charge – unless the employer decides to pay the costs itself.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19908398.astonishing-snp-minister-jenny-gilruth-confirms-no-upper-limit-fee-workplace-parking-levy/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. Yodhrin
    Member

    I wonder how many of the people complaining about this have spent the last few years screeching endlessly about how the SNP central government is crippling councils with the council tax freeze...?

    Posted 2 years ago #

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