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  1. jonty
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    Yeah - they should really have done this as a more general decentralisation of powers to avoid this kind of opposition. I generally think this would be a good idea so I'm biased, but I feel like it would have been more politically shrewd and made the debate a bit more mature - either you're for councils having more powers or you're not; have the debate about individual councils at a local level rather than fearmongering across the whole country.

    There's an argument (not being made by any of the usual suspects, of course) that the specific-powers approach essentially rewards the loudest (and perhaps most party politically aligned) voices in cities - see AirBnB licensing, tourist tax, WPL - while overlooking local problems in more rural areas like Skye. I suppose some of these are applicable to the tourist-pressured Highlands, but I don't think they're necessarily as much of a priority as they are in cities. A more general approach means this would be less of a problem - local solutions for local problems etc etc. But maybe there's other measures proposed that I'm not seeing cos I'm not close to the action.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. Morningsider
    Member

    @jonty - this is just the Tories scaremongering before the council elections. The WPL is entirely discretionary, no local authority has to introduce it. A WPL scheme can apply to to all, or just part of a Council area, it can apply at set hours (e.g. exempting might shift workers) and to certain classes of vehicle. Certain categories of workplace can be exempted. National exemptions already apply to NHS premises, hospices and disabled persons' parking places.

    I'm kind of surprised the Tories really want to go with "the Government should set a price cap" argument - easy just to point to the energy price cap as an example of 1. the cap is very likely to become the default price, and 2. it is no guarantee of protection from massive price hikes.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. jonty
    Member

    I know all that - my point is more that this points out the immaturity of the debate around local government but also the policy immaturity which is forced upon local government by the current legal framework they exist in.

    If the Scottish Government had committed to a more general program of devolution to local governments, which permitted not only WPL but a much wider range of policy tools to help councils more effectively raise revenue and control development in their local area, individual scaremongering like this would have been much less effective, and it would mean that you don't have to fight a national battle for every small local intervention individual councils decide they want.

    As a separate example, Edinburgh Council decided it wanted a tourist tax years ago - in France it would probably have just done it, whereas here it's had to be debated at a national level for years before the council is able to even commence the process of implementing it. That's bizarre - it was in the manifesto the current administration were elected on. Just let them get on with it and, if it's a total disaster, they can be turfed out by the electorate quite happily next election, just like with any other policy.

    Councils are theoretically able, I think, to raise council tax by an unlimited amount - but we don't have big national debates about this, because it's just normal and we recognise that as democratically elected bodies, councils have an incentive not to do deeply unpopular things like doubling council tax.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    In a letter to NHS Lothian’s chief executive the Royal College of Nursing said many workers reported that they ‘have been left in a position of vulnerability, fearing for their personal safety’.

    It follows calls from frightened nurses for increased safety measures at Sheriffhall Park and Ride after a strict parking permit scheme forced them to return to their vehicles alone late at night.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/frontline-staff-lost-trust-and-confidence-in-nhs-lothian-over-parking-permits-3563568

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. chdot
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  6. ejstubbs
    Member

    Busy Edinburgh pavement completely blocked by three cars in mass parking fail

    Hands up anyone who's surprised that it's two large pickups and an expensive-looking estate car* (Merc E Class, unless I'm very much mistaken) parked wholly on the footway outside Edinburgh Rifles and Sporting Good - and within ~100m of a row of actual parking spaces. Anyone?

    * Sometimes aka "shooting brake", back in them old days.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

  8. Yodhrin
    Member

    TBH I think at this point we should just own it. Yes, yes it is about punishing you, you selfish, lazy <rule 2>s. Either take a bus, get off your bum and walk/cycle, or cough up in every way we can think of as recompense for contributing to climate change, poor air quality, congested streets, and all the other unpleasantness you cause when you insist you absolutely have to drive everywhere and demand you be allowed to park anywhere.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. chdot
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    An Ashville Terrace resident wrote: “Allowing this driveway to go ahead we will lose a parking space.”

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/parking-space-row-sparks-accusation-of-witch-hunt-3609127

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. 14Westfield
    Member

    @chdot. Well my neighbour hood stushie has reached the evening news!

    It’s an age old tale of ego, car dependency, terror of impending permits and very dense housing knowing each other’s business.

    The (retrospective) applicants are in an upper colony flat so have recently been parking their car a metre from the lowers bedroom window. Not a great way to win friends and have been impressively aggressive towards any criticism.

    The pleasures of community…

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    “so have recently been parking their car a metre from the lowers bedroom window. Not a great way to win friends“

    Mmm…

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    “They have begun issuing £100 tickets (reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days) to anyone that uses the car park, including me and my staff, even though we own the site,” Phil Tye, the Yap chair, said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/may/09/food-bank-users-threatened-with-170-parking-fine

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. MediumDave
    Member

    Dalry Road, 1735 near the appliance shop. Dude in Range Rover (quelle surprise) getting into a fearful gammony bate with one of the parking enforcement officers who was busy giving him a (richly deserved) ticket.

    I larfed. Cops lurking nearby too. Would have stayed to see if the Rage Rover dude either burst a bloodvessel or talked himself into a breach of the peace charge.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Parking fines in George Street brought in more than £460,000 for the city council last year.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/these-are-edinburghs-top-ten-streets-for-parking-fines-which-raised-more-than-ps1million-for-edinburgh-council-3728042

    Maybe time to double the fines??

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    If you contact 101 for any parking issues where there isn't sufficient room to pass. It will get allocated to officers, whether local or RP, to assess any obstruction and if so and the vehicle owner can't be located the vehicle will be uplifted. That's what happened today

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polscotrpu/status/1535601114883801092

    Mmm

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks to
    @JennyGilruth
    for meeting us today! Pavements are for people, not parking, so good to hear her assurance that it will only be possible to exempt streets from the coming ban on #PavementParking in exceptional circumstances. No blanket exemptions will be permitted.

    https://twitter.com/WeAreMACS/status/1537051032726945793

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. pringlis
    Member

    My usual low-level anger on the school run was raised this morning by this person parking on the zebra crossing on Canaan Lane right beside the school. The parking issues are just constant there and will only get worse next year when the nursery opens too.

    I think it's the complete lack of any awareness of the dangers that parking like that creates, coupled with the fact that:
    1) I don't think this crossing is enforceable as there's no zig-zag lines. What does a yellow line on a zebra crossing even mean - it implies that you can part there at some times?!
    2) That junction was butchered as part of the building work at the school and hasn't been restored. They removed protection for the bike lane and pavement build out to allow HGVs to turn into the road more easily. Predictably cars just started parking in the area where the kerb was, and cars swing in and park for school drop-off. I've asked councillors to chase if the contractor will be footing the cost for restoring!

    Before: https://ibb.co/D8cF4Qd
    After: https://ibb.co/XVyGht3

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

  20. chdot
    Admin

    “I don’t know what we are going to do now to park our cars. Most households have two cars, and although some have a driveway, not all of us do.

    “Surely they can’t do this without consulting us?”

    It is understood that a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) should have been submitted before local developers placed the double yellow lines on the road. Therefore, it is believed that the double yellow lines may be removed until a TRO can be carried out and residents opinions sought.

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-resident-unable-park-outside-24724423

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. chdot
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  22. chdot
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  23. neddie
    Member

    the cars were targeted because of their placement on the pavements

    I see that cars are now "placed" on the pavement. No, not driven by drivers on to the pavement, "placed"!

    Jeez, the efforts that the press go to to excuse driver behaviour...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

  25. Morningsider
    Member

    The Council cannot, and does not propose to, ban pavement parking in Edinburgh before the introduction of the nationwide ban.

    To understand what the Council are proposing it is important to know that parking restrictions indicated by yellow and red lines apply to the full width of a street - carriageway, pavement and any verges. Also, the Council require any parking attendant finding a vehicle parked on a yellow or red line to wait either five or ten minutes before issuing a ticket. This is not a statutory requirement.

    Looking at the paperwork, the Council simply proposes to remove this grace period for people parked on a footway or cycle track where there are yellow or red lines.

    In no way is this a ban on pavement parking. If the media simply didn't just rehash Council press releases they might have noticed this.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Even when the parking ban comes (eventually) into force, the Police will be exempt. It's really frustrating, but they are not the real problem.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1619095012792205312

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. chdot
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  28. chdot
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  29. pringlis
    Member

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/01/new-york-city-garage-collapse-death-risk

    I don't think it was a factor in that collapse but I was reading recently that the increased weight of electric vehicles coupled with the fact that they tend to cluster in a car park around any charging infrastructure is going to put a lot of strain on existing multi-storey car parks. Within design tolerance at the moment but will increase maintenance requirements as the extra weight puts a lot of strain on the structure.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/heavy-weight-electric-cars-could-cause-aging-parking-lots-collapse-2023-4?r=US&IR=T

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    A lot of the weight increase in cars is down to manufacturers pushing SUVs on to people as well as increasing the size, year on year, of their regular models.

    Sure EVs are heavier, but manufacturers haven't exactly been attempting to drive weight down, to the contrary they've been pushing it up.

    To blame increased weight solely on electrification is basically anti-EV-ism (and is possibly a fossil fuel lobby narrative)

    Posted 1 year ago #

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