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Taxi 657 - dangerous driving

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  1. Dave
    Member

    I'm not sure which is the best bit of the forum for this, but I'm just logging an incident with a black cab, in the event that anyone else has a bit less luck than me and might end up searching for the driver's previous conduct will find this documented.

    I was heading into town up Leith Walk at about 17:10 on Friday 27th August.

    The pedestrian crossing by Manderson St was red, and I had to stop briefly. At this point the taxi passed me very closely (close enough that he had to move out to avoid running me over when he realised I was balancing on the right).

    There was a long queue at the lights by Annandale Street and I passed him at that point, on my way up to the Advanced Stop Area.

    Those lights went green and I cycled up through the bus stops towards the London Road roundabout, and before joining the queue moved across towards the right of the bus lane (as I'm not turning left, but going straight across).

    At this point the taxi driver came out of nowhere and undertook me at speed in the same lane, then swerved back out to get in the queue - literally a car length in front of me.

    The roundabout was blocked by stationary traffic but as there was enough room for a bike, I ignored him and made my way across and up past the Omni Centre onto Leith St. At this point there is always a long queue in both lanes and I ended up in the bus lane behind it all (i.e. I didn't proceed to filter past).

    Who should come up behind but taxi 657 again! At this point I was very wary but figured that nothing much could happen while we were crawling uphill in a traffic jam - right?

    If only. As I pulled away instead of sitting behind, the driver tried to pull around me - only to find that I was now keeping up with the car in front and he had nowhere to go.

    I was half decided to call the driver out, but in the end there wasn't enough width for him to bother me again as we came round to the left-filter for North Bridge.

    I knew I'd leave him for dust up the bridges and so didn't bother to have a shouting match in the street. And so it was - I got all the way to Cameron Toll without a single vehicle passing me (OK - apart from one motorbike!)

    I do intend to write a wee letter of joy to the council but that's not of much direct help to other cyclists. I've often wondered when I have a run-in with a dangerous driver how many other cyclists might have found it useful to know if they were just the latest in a long line of near misses - when they get the inevitable fob-off letter from council licencing. Perhaps there is merit in some sort of online log?

    Apologies for the ramble!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Sorry but not hugely surprised to hear your tale of woe Dave.

    I might laminate a wee red card at work to keep in the back pocket of the cycling jumper that says "that's right, I've got your number" that I can wave at bad drivers (when it's safe to do so, when I've pulled in front of them at the lights when they are sitting in the ASL box)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. davidmhodgey
    Member

    I see this sort of thing from taxis every week. I saw a particularly rude taxi pull out in front of a cyclist and hassle him this morning to the east of Haymarket. Apparently the taxi was entitled to do this because "he sees cyclists run red lights". Crazy taxi logic!

    Anyway, is there actually anything we can do about dangerous hooligan taxi drivers? I'd love to hear some success stories..

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I had a wee chuckle at a tongue-in-cheek article in Cycling Weekly yesterday talking about traffic lights.

    "You will know it is the ASL box because there will... ...be a transit van sitting in it"

    @davidmhodgey, would you be the same munro-bagging davidmhodgey of walkhighlands?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  5. davidmhodgey
    Member

    @kaputnik Aye that's me! Mountains, cycling, running and forums! Canae get enough of them!

    Thought I'd give this forum a shot - there are a couple of contentious people on Walk Highlands these days who wind me up and bring out the worst in me. Some people just can't help trolling!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "there are a couple of contentious people on Walk Highlands these days who wind me up and bring out the worst in me"

    Wouldn't happen here...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. SRD
    Moderator

    We'd don't have contentious people so much as contentious topics...H*!mets and Cycling on meadows/links paths seem to bring out the worst in everyone....

    Posted 14 years ago #
  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    A bicycling munro-bagging trip by tourer, that's my new plan!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "everyone"

    WITHDRAW!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  10. davidmhodgey
    Member

    Oh god is this the cycling equivalent of the axe/crampons and GPS Vs maps threads on WH?

    A bike tour of the Cairngorms is definitely do-able, assuming you've got mostly lightweight kit. The really difficult part would be explaining to my missus that I'm off into the land of no phone reception for a week or so!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    I rode up by Derry Lodge to go up Ben Macdui at the end of winter. Very nice indeed, although I did scare myself slightly trying to follow snow tracks in zero visibility on the summit.

    We won't discuss whether I added helmet and hi-viz, elbow/knee pads and wrist guards to the kit I was already packing for the walk! ;-)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. SRD
    Moderator

    For 'everyone' please read 'otherwise reasonable people'.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  13. Dave
    Member

    I have to admit, the last little bit has got me thinking a bit.

    I don't really see how you can reconcile not needing a helmet yourself but that someone else does, given that there's the same (tiny) chance that a taxi driver could ride into the back of you or them with equanimity.

    As has been widely discussed/condemned, I ride through the city centre bareheaded every day with a distinct lack of "exploding raw egg head death syndrome", and don't really worry about the head safety of others. (But when we ride off-road I wear a helmet and wouldn't be comfortable if someone else didn't). i.e. consistency.

    On the other hand, while I never worry about my own safety on the bike (in a non-immediate sense), I do worry about the safety of others - even if they are better at riding in the town centre than I am! Which seems to contradict the bit above.

    Hrm!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    I go to a meeting and things happen.

    Seems to have been a discussion/argument about meaning of words in posts.

    I've deleted several posts (MOST unusual).

    So Dave's post above may seem out of context.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  15. spitfire
    Member

    Gespräch der Sturzhelme ist verboten!
    Sie wurden gewarnt!
    Schauen Sie jetzt, was Sie getan haben!
    Sie haben den Verwalter verärgert

    You tube meme will be uploaded later...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  16. davidmhodgey
    Member

    @Dave, you've basically just summed up everything I was apparently having trouble articulating. Does anyone know how to delete your citycyclingedinburgh account? I can't find the big red "Eject" button anywhere...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    @spitfire

    You can't confuse me with German.

    Wasn't me getting annoyed.

    Just trying to defuse a situation.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  18. recombodna
    Member

    Wenn Sie Ärger der Manager
    Die Fäden werden gesperrt

    Mr Davidmhodgey sir don't be put off by a bit of spirited debate. I'm sure no offence was meant.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  19. spitfire
    Member

    @chdot
    I think the situation had already burned the fuse

    horse
    bolted
    gate
    shut

    Posted 14 years ago #
  20. So. What have I missed? :P

    Posted 14 years ago #
  21. spitfire
    Member

    sorry I accidentally deleted my copy paste dump of the entire site should something happen to need censored (sorry I meant defused)
    ;p

    Posted 14 years ago #
  22. Dave
    Member

    Funnily enough, without knowing more than a Dad's Army worth of German, I can more or less read that poem.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  23. SRD
    Moderator

    For the record, this was _not_ a helmet debate.

    Can I get my posts re-instated, even if not those of the person who asked to be removed?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  24. cb
    Member

    Scottishhills.com recommended as a friendly hill walking site (with forum).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "censored (sorry I meant defused)"

    It's a fine line

    I can't keep everyone happy

    - especially me (which is what counts...)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  26. steveo
    Member

    I'm back to contemplating my Edinburgh Chariot Spike.

    Bloody taxi's!

    Going between the lights at Haymarket and Wst Maitland Street i'm just pottering up because the next two sets of lights are always red after the previous set go green so you can't actually get moving since you'll always get stopped at the next light. I'm in the 3rd lane so the left lane for going up Torphichen Street when two moron taxis under take me in the outside lane and then move back into my lane, utterly pointless at the best of times since I just slide into the ASL and hold them up at the next set which is also red.

    The second one starts to cut in so close that not only do i end up in the other lane with a fast moving Range Rover but i'm so close i can touch his rear quarter panel. Before any one asks i was in the middle of the lane since this happens often and no i didn't get his number i was busy working out where to get brake fluid at this time of the morning.

    This junction is a bloody nightmare though just yesterday i had a van do the same thing then sit in the ASL so me and another person just slid in front of him, when i finally let him past half way up Torphicen Street he gave me a very bemused look to which i just gave him a grin and a wink. Difference between the two is the van over took me quickly enough to get safely in front even if he was being an idiot and sitting in the ASL.

    If i ever get any power in the council or government taxi drivers are going to have such a hard time. One complaint will loose the taxi firm the plate, that might actually make them more courteous.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  27. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Drafting the Airport bus heading west past Roseburn at about 28mph. Bus moves out to pass cyclist in bus lane. I follow bus so as not to lose my windbreak. Following taxi decides he's not having any of that, accellerates, moves along side me (even though I'm in "his" lane) and forces me back into the bus lane.

    It's just so utterly pointless. I really don't get what it achieved or why he had to do it. I was doing exactly the same speed as the bus, so if anyone was "holding him up", it was the bus. Would he have performed a maneouvre like that on the bus to force his way past? No. Why? The 15 tonnes of bus would have flattened his silly black tractor. But seeing as I'm a cyclist on a 10kg bike, that's fine. He can force his way in and I have to get out of my road position to keep myself safe. Needless to say I was with him again by the time we get to the lights at Western corner, filter up and pass him.

    Convoy of 6 empty private hire cars (I counted them as I sailed past) causing a tailback in the buslane at Drumbrae roundabout also...

    I got minor revenge on the careless drivers yesterday on my way home though. Woman westbound at the Murrayfield Hotel, waiting to turn right across the eastbound traffic (including me). Decided just to pull out without really looking, even though that would have meant that unless I pull on the brakes and come to a stop that I fly straight into her passenger side door. Half tempted to do that as I'm on the steel-framed tourer so I figure all that weight would do her car some damage, however on second thoughts I let out my greatest and loudest ever "HOI!" as I ground to a halt, causing her to visibly brick herself and put a smile back on my otherwise exasperated face.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  28. steveo
    Member

    I think i've asked this before but can any one explain why black cabs get preferential treatment over private cars?

    Seems to me that they do even more mileage in a much heavier vehicle belching particulates, they can usually only hold two extra passengers. They provide little or no advantage to any one except the councils tram funds coupled to which they represent some of the worst drivers in the city.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I think technically they are classed as public transport, s'why. Private hire cars on the other hand aren't. Which (coupled with email from council on another thread) is why I've got much more problem with them being in the bus lane.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  30. steveo
    Member

    Hmm, i struggle to see how a black cab with a single passenger is any better than a personal car with just a driver let alone some kind of public transport. A quick Google suggests a mere 35mpg which is only marginally better than i get in town. The only advantage i can see is they don't put pressure on parking where they turn up since they inevitably drive off again with or with out a fare though that's a bit of double edged sword since my cars mpg while i'm at the supermarket is significantly better than 35mpg...

    Posted 14 years ago #

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