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Kids' bikes - next step down from Isla and Frog?

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  • Started 9 years ago by sallyhinch
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  1. sallyhinch
    Member

    We're reaching more and more 'non-bikey' families who are coming out for our family bike rides. Which is great, but it's a real eye opener as to the quality of kids' bikes. We had a family of three girls out on pink barbie bikes and they barely had a working brake between them, plus a pedal came off the youngest's (she likes to spin her pedals backwards on the downhill stretches which may have overcome the 'self-tightening' mechanism). We've spent practically as much time fettling as we have riding

    I was wondering what brands I could recommend to families who aren't ready to shell out for Isla bikes or even Frog bikes, but who want to get something their kid can ride safely and happily. Are there any brands out there beside Isla and Frog that at least do child-sized brake levers for instance? Any suggestions?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. HankChief
    Member

    This will sound more flippant than intended but what about 2nd hand Isla bikes.

    Knocks a bit off the price but still the same bike.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    second-hand isla bikes not much cheaper than new ones from what i've seen.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

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    kids bikes - Isla bike, ridgeback or something cheaper?

    "

    http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/toys_and_games_chat/a1333520-kids-bikes-Isla-bike-ridgeback-or-something-cheaper

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. Cyclops
    Member

    I've found Specialized bikes good and last well although I'm not sure they're a lot cheaper. 20" and 24" Hotrocks were passed down through all 3 of my kids with just a bit of minor maintenance needed.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    So it sounds like Specialized, Dawes or Ridgeback, or hold out for an Islabike

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Hoy range worth a look, but not 'cheap'.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    I'll probably be criticised for this, because I know that most 'serious' cyclists look down on cheaper bikes. However there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the kids' bikes from places like Halfords, Decathlon, etc.

    Yes, they can be heavy. Apart from that, their components are usually okay and the bikes perfectly serviceable if they are set up and maintained properly. These two latter requirements are usually where parents let their children down, unfortunately.

    My 9 year old son is quite happy riding his (second hand) 18 speed Apollo 24" wheeled MTB. I changed the tyres to semi-slicks so he can get about on tarmac more easily, and fitted a rear rack. Mudguards are worn outside the dry summer weather too. He can ride 20 miles quite easily (even with panniers) as long as there are not too many hills...

    My daughter has just turned 5 and her hand-me-down (from a cousin) Apollo 'Cutie' 12" wheeled bike has been retired for a new, somewhat larger 14" wheeled 'Princess' bike from (wait for it) Toys'R'Us. We didn't buy it, it was given as present. Still single speed, a bit lighter, two brakes instead of one and riser handlebars. I won't be expecting her to ride 20 miles on it but it's fine for riding (on the pavement) to and around the local park, to and from Fringe shows, etc.

    Lighter bikes would of course be nice, but relatively heavy ones have not stopped our kids from enjoying cycling. They are both in their own ways confident riders, know the basics of maintenance and repairs and my daughter has never used stabilisers, having ridden a wooden balance bike for a few years.

    I suppose my point is that if kids want to cycle, they will regardless of the bike (as long as it functions). Having parents who cycle a lot is probably the most important factor, so that for them cycling is 'normal'. Then the bikes need to be set up correctly and maintained regularly. That's it. Good brands and lightweight materials are nice to have, but not essential in my book.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "Yes, they can be heavy. Apart from that"

    Weight is more important for smaller people than it is for those who 'care'/obsess about 'weight'!

    Some kids bikes are just ridiculous!

    Halfords/Apollo are far from the worst.

    Certainly avoid cheap 'full suspension' bikes.

    The most important thing (if they are going to be used for 'transport') is brakes.

    Especially if looking at s/h bikes, avoid sidepull brakes on fat tyres ('mountain bikes') and steel or plastic rims.

    At the most basic level - especially if dealing with people who already have their own bikes - is make sure the tyres are blown up hard.

    "Feels like a new bike" is a common reaction.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. SRD
    Moderator

    our kids had a blast playing around on 'generic' bikes this summer. they were absolutely fine for that. but pretty useless if we actually wanted to ride anywhere, as we do here.

    when my eldest was 4 she was totally frustrated on the equiv of your youngest's new bike. needed gears. and she has tiny hands, so really benefited from the islabike brakes.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. sallyhinch
    Member

    It's the brakes that really are the issue - they're too big for little hands, and they often simply don't work and they're very difficult to adjust. Because we're trying to reach non-bikey families, they've often got no idea how to maintain them so they arrive in very poor condition. The girls who were out with our rides this summer were braking with their feet! It's quite hard to devise a ride around here without hills, so we do have to make sure that kids who join us are safe, without making parents feel bad because 'Santa' didn't shell out hundreds of pounds for what they think of as largely a toy. So I'd like to be able to recommend something that's not bad, even if it's not great. If they show signs of wanting to take up regular transport cycling, I'd have no hesitation in making the case for Frog or Isla bikes.

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  12. crowriver
    Member

    @SRD, it's not the bike I would have chosen myself but never look a gift horse in the mouth, etc. My daughter seems to get about fine on it even with single speed. Now that she's more confident her saddle is a bit higher which gives her pedalling more power. She can even manage modest uphills. There aren't actually that many steep bits round our way unless you count Abbeymount and Arthur's Seat...

    My son cycled on his own bike (with full panniers) out into East Lothian this summer when we were cycle camping. When we went on excursions he would ride too. His bike is a hardtail with mudguard and rack mounts, plus suspension forks. Not fancy but it works reasonably well.

    @chdot, I agree about "full-sus" bikes: generally awful, very heavy unless they are actually high spec, high price sport MTBs. I think I would draw the line at supermarket or equivalent bikes. Having said that, the one from Toys'R'Us is holding up okay (so far).

    One can question the longevity of components, resale value etc. but frankly it doesn't matter that much from my perspective. Bikes will generally be passed down from older to younger siblings as they grow out of them, maybe getting a couple of years' usage at most from each child before they're too small. That is, unless a friend or relative steps in with a new bike as a gift, which sometimes presents a dilemma, it must be said...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    @sallyhinch, it sounds as though the bikes were just really poor quality and/or not properly maintained. Maybe there's a need for some advice/training for parents/older kids in that area? Even relatively cheap bikes, if kept in decent condition and not completely trashed, left out in the rain, and so on, can be made serviceable.

    Brake levers are an interesting one, it does seem to be an area where manufacturers cut costs on cheaper bikes. Yes they can be too large for small hands sometimes too. Many kids' bikes might be better with a rear coaster (back pedal) brake plus one rim brake at the front. Again though they need to know how to use it and the bike needs to be kept in decent condition, stored properly...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    There is no obvious answer to 'small hands, large levers' though some have an adjuster screw that can (sometimes) move the lever closer to 'bars.

    It is worth seeing if the riders are comfortable with the position of the levers - usually in line with arms/hands.

    It's normally easy to loosen and rotate - unless there are gear levers in the way. (Usually gripshift type with small 'invisible' Allen bolts!)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. condor2378
    Member

    I've been tasked with getting my soon to be 5 year old girl and 3 year old boy (both birthdays in September) bikes for said event. 5 y.o. currently has a pink balance bike and 3yo is on a trike. I'm tempted to repaint the pink balance bike to blue for the laddie but would appreciate any cost effective suggestions for both if anyone has any wisdom?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. SRD
    Moderator

    @crowriver both bikes kids were using this summer had coaster brakes. definitely a good thing.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "coaster brakes. definitely a good thing"

    Well the Continentals seem to manage with them, but I've never been a fan!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. sallyhinch
    Member

    If they stop the kids from idly pedalling backwards on the downhills and unscrewing their pedals, then definitely a good thing

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    "If they stop the kids from idly pedalling backwards on the downhills and unscrewing their pedals"

    Wellll, pedals should really come when you backpedal (even excessively)!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. fimm
    Member

    What are Decathlon kid's bikes like? I know the adult ones have a reputation for being decent for what you pay.
    (I'm aware that sallyhinch's nearest Decathlon is probably not particularly convenient...)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. Smudge
    Member

    Their wee balance bike is good, mini-Smudge loves his :-)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. wingpig
    Member

    @Smudge Smidgeon?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. SRD
    Moderator

    "What are Decathlon kid's bikes like"

    I'd been wondering too, but a look online didn't seem promising enough to actually visit. mini-SRD's eyeing up a road bike....

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Trying to find a lightweight road bike for a child can be quite an arduous task, as most manufacturers don’t seem to venture into this sector of the market. Thankfully there are a few contenders, so we’ve brought together a selection of road racing bikes for kids to zoom around on. You never know – perhaps you’re nurturing a future Tour de France or Olympic winner?

    "

    http://www.cyclesprog.co.uk/bikes/road-racing-bikes-for-kids

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. SRD
    Moderator

    I take it back - according to that link Decathlon does do a road bike for kids. Guess we will be checking it out.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. neddie
    Member

    When I was a kid, my Dad, my brother, his pal and I all cycled 40 miles out to Falkland YH one day.

    My brother's pal (age ~8) cycled the whole way on a 1980s vintage Raleigh Striker (single speed, banana saddle, tiny wheels)!

    Like this one:
    http://raleigh-chopper-net.tripod.com/images/striker.jpg

    Amazing what was possible in the 80s! Back in the day, we didn't worry about things like brakes, gears or comfort...

    (Wouldn't recommend this today)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. Stickman
    Member

    @SRD:

    There's a forum* for BTwin (Decathlon own-brand) bike owners that I'm a member of. Some of the other members there have bought their kids the road bike and are very pleased with it. I'll start a new thread there for people to give their feedback.

    *MrSRD may be interested given his recent purchase? Although a lot of it is discussing upgrades, so you may want to veto it on cost grounds!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. crowriver
    Member

    @SRD, it's well worth checking out Halfords' offerings in this area too. Their Carrera TDF junior road bike is currently 60% off, and looks a decent piece of kit for under £200. They also carry the Boardman junior road bike, which looks spiffing but a tad pricier than the Carrera bike at £350.

    The Carrera is 650c wheel size, while Boardman is full 700c apparently. Both bikes appear to have clearance for mudguards and/or slightly bigger tyres. Mudguard eyelets on fork and rear stays, plus the Boardman appears to have chain stay bolts for fitting a rear rack (or Carradice bag support). Other than that the frames and specs look very similar.

    For me the Carrera seems a great deal, especially considering it's only £20 more than the more basic Apollo Tempo 26" kid's road bike.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    Oh there's also the Hoy Cammo 24" road bike, not cheap but may suit depending on how tall your daughter has grown of late. If she's too tall for that, the 650c Hoy Cammo is arguably one of the best junior road bikes on the UK market - but at a price. If you're looking at that, for only another £50 you could get this rather nice Pinarello Speedy T6 junior road bike.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "Carrera TDF junior road bike is currently 60% off"

    Don't think it was ever 'worth' £500, but £200 seems not bad.

    'Wot, for a kid's toy?'

    Posted 9 years ago #

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