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  1. SRD
    Moderator

    "Depends how you define grange".

    Yes, I meant Grange rd.

    Yes, cc'd route is doable, but requires either crossing Minto street without lights, or getting off, walking to pedestrian crossing, walking across and remounting.

    Serious pfaff compared to what ought to be a straightforward route.

    Most of the time I was using this route, I was actually aiming at the University nursery near march hall place, so the blacket ave route was not as inconvenient. But if I was trying to get to the commie pool everyday I too would be sorely tempted to go the wrong way down Salisbury place. I

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    Pretty easy just to get off and push your bike west east along Salisbury place. No law against getting off and pushing. It is a driver mentality that you must cycle your bike everywhere. A bike is a vehicle that can be pushed easily, a car isn't

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Pretty easy just to get off and push your bike west east along Salisbury place. No law against getting off and pushing. It is a driver mentality that you must cycle your bike everywhere. A bike is a vehicle that can be pushed easily, a car isn't

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. cb
    Member

    "Haven't actually used the Abden House link"

    Cuts through a door sized gateway through a wall as I recall (no actual) gate.

    Quite a cunning link but perhaps feels a bit 'private'?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. 531
    Member

    The city should have more streets that are one way for cars but have a bike lane as well. If you got rid of the car parking on Salisbury Rd you would have ample space for such a lane. I suppose that is a political impossibility but it just would make so much sense.

    There are places in the city where this could be accomplished fairly easily however, i.e. where there is currently two way traffic, one could imagine one of the lanes being converted for bike use (bi-directional). This has to be done in a joined up way so that there is a sensible route for cars available. A car can relatively easily drive a block further and come around on the next one-way in the desired direction.

    Bikes need thoroughfares to promote quick access to the city centre.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. cc
    Member

    The idiocy of Pollock Halls is that special cycle traffic lights and a cycle crossing were built to link Blacket Place with the Pollock Halls grounds, to make it easier and safer for students to cycle to uni. Then the University in its wisdom decided to permanently lock the gate which is used by the cycle crossing. It's been locked for years.

    The cycle crossing push-buttons, and the cycle phase of the lights, are still there. You'll find a push-button just inside Blacket Place.

    The other gate a few yards from the locked one is always open. Once you're through it, just go left then right and the road takes you straight to the main car entrance to Pollock Halls and to the swimming pool's overflow car park - to Holyrood Park Road in other words.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. cc
    Member

    @SRD I agree, a straight, efficient route would be far better.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    @531 what makes the even more annoying is that the council has a policy of implementing cycle contraflow lanes in such situations.

    the reality, however, is that in most places they would have to take out parking to do so, so they don't.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    Accidental post and understandable responses removed!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. MediumDave
    Member

    Assuming a contraflow lane up Salisbury Road was implemented, what are the panel's suggestions to get cyclists using the contraflow across the road (and potentially to Holyrood Park and the Innocent)?

    If there was just the contraflow one would have to get across 3 lanes of traffic to make a right onto Holyrood Park Road. A toucan crossing would be less than ideal as it would dump cyclists out at the bottom of the commie steps. OK if you do want the pool I guess but not good for linking up with the Innocent.

    Following the legal on-road route from Grange Road really ain't so bad in my opinion (though I do this route nearly every morning to get to the Commie Pool so may be blase). Normally one can filter up the buslane on Newington Road to the lights at E Preston Street and either take up a position in the ASL or just dismount and use the pedestrian phase to cross onto E Preston Street. There's rarely any need to negotiate one's way into moving multilane traffic.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "Assuming a contraflow lane up Salisbury Road was implemented, what are the panel's suggestions to get cyclists using the contraflow across the road (and potentially to Holyrood Park and the Innocent)?"

    Assuming a climate where such a contraflow is 'politically' possible, there would have been a complete re-think/rearrangment of roads like Dalkeith!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Has anyone noticed if most traffic down Salisbury Road has already been through the Park?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    I find going north up dalkeith rd, either in the bus lane(with required leapfrogging) or moving out into turn lane, hard going. I would usually either have a child in a childseat, or one on the tandem. So a route that may seem 'easy' for a fit man may not seem so easy for an older mum with heavier bike, kids etc. for some of the time I was using this route I was pregnant as well.

    Surely we should be designing routes for people like me too?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. amir
    Member

    "Has anyone noticed if most traffic down Salisbury Road has already been through the Park? "

    I only pass this way during the morning rush hour and am coming from the park direction myself (well the Innocent) but there is quite a lot of traffic following that route. Generally it goes straight at Minto St into Salisbury Place. It's quite a TL heavy route though so not that attractive?

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  15. SRD
    Moderator

    Definitely in the evening rush hour most of the car traffic on Salisbury place was coming from the park.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. MediumDave
    Member

    @SRD How would the contraflow help your situation if you are already northbound on Old Dalkeith Road? You'd already be at the end of the contraflow there. I agree heading uphill from Cameron Toll by that route is hard work though!

    Newington Road (at least the short section from Salisbury Place to East Preston Street) seems more relaxed and is also usually fairly jammed outside of the bus lanes at the times I'm using it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. SRD
    Moderator

    @david.nutter sorry. I am saying that the current detour takes me up a short but challenging section of Dalkeith rd - from blacket ave to salisbury place. If there was a contra-flow, I could avoid all that.

    Maybe that seems to short to be a challenge, but trust me, to some of us it is.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. cb
    Member

    And whilst many east/west routes look pleasant enough on the map, crossing roads like Dalkeith Road is never much fun.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. MediumDave
    Member

    @SRD Ah, I see. Apologies for the confusion.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. 531
    Member

    @david.nutter Actually I had not thought that far ahead but am willing to run with this. Let us just imagine a climate where cycling provision is serious. Then one could imagine that after going up the counterflow lane you find an additional traffic light - just for the cyclists - could be button operated - that feeds you out into dalkeith road going either direction while all car traffic is halted. This way you can safely make the move into the turn lane to take you down to the park or go along one of the other routes. And while we are at it, how about a proper cycle lane along the road there leading toward the park. There are plenty of cyclists using it all the time.

    It is not as crazy as it sounds. I spent 3 months in Amsterdam in 2012 riding my bike *everywhere* and stuff like this was more or less routine. Actually it can't be all that expensive, just requires some imagination and a modest fraction of the road spend.

    We do pay people to plan stuff like this (they are called 'planners') and there is high demand in the city of Edinburgh for this sort of provision. They should get cracking! They would be heroes. I would be happy to see a statue erected in the centre of George street for the planner-dude that manages to make Edinburgh bike friendly.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    A segregated lane from the pavement to the commie pool bike racks, and along the road toward the park would be easy and obvious,

    Also a long segregated lane down dalkeith rd - behind the bus stop where I had my nearest miss of all Edinburgh near misses - and hence down to Cameron toll. Would be simple to do - almost no driveways.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "Would be simple to do"

    Wot, in Edinburgh?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. 531
    Member

    If the planners won't do it someone should do the job for them.

    ...we could have an open-source cycle route/transport design project...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. Dave
    Member

    If professional experience is any guide, most planners would be more than happy to design something nice, but have a specification to work to which prevents them doing anything that truly benefits cycling (for instance, being told they aren't allowed to remove any parking bays or reduce the running width of the carriageway by more than 12")

    Don't get me wrong, there will be dire planners just as there are dire people in any profession, but to blame the situation entirely on the guys drafting the maps is like blaming drab office decor on the guy holding the paint brush.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. condor2378
    Member

    "...we could have an open-source cycle route/transport design project..."

    Like...a...cyclehack? ;)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. SRD
    Moderator

    Cough...Simon Parker....splutter...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. Morningsider
    Member

    SRD - Noooooooo, tell me it isn't happening again!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. ARobComp
    Member

    @SRD - HA. Awesome.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. ARobComp
    Member

    @morningsider just don't say his name thrice while looking in a mirror.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. rodti
    Member

    Reading earlier comments about there not having been any reported accidents involving cyclists going the wrong way up Salisbury Road, I think my view is perhaps a little black and white in that all users of that road (pedestrians, bikes, cars) should all be following the Highway Code. It's a relief that no one has been hurt yet, but it doesn't mean they won't. Can't we all just obey the rules that are supposed to be there for everyone's benefit?

    I got really cross when, as a pedestrian, a bike recently went straight through a red light and nearly took me out as I crossed on a green man just round the corner from Salisbury Road.

    It incenses me both as a pedestrian and a cyclist the amount of drivers going through red lights at the junctions along Strathearn, Beaufort and Grange Roads. I know it's not limited to that area, but that road seems to be terrible for it.

    It doesn't however bother me that, as a cyclist, to do my commute from Strathearn Road to the Commie Pool that I have to take a quick detour up Causewayside and the Streets Preston. I certainly wouldn't dream of going straight across the junction from Salisbury Place to Road, presumably against oncoming traffic, and then past a no entry sign just to save a minute or so.

    I quite like the idea of a cycle lane up there against the flow. Not quite sure how one would exit at the Commie Pool junction, it's a b* that one, for all users.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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