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"Work starts on new £35m Boroughmuir High School"

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  1. Fountainbridge
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    Viewforth has now been closed for about 5 months. Diverted traffic has been using Yeamen Place which doesn't have any pedestrian crossings, also sene of a couple of bike accidents and near misses.

    I walk along there about 4 times a week during the day. Never seen anybody actually working on the street. Seems to be used mainly as a car park.

    These works can't have been delayed due to high wind, we've not had any snow, a bit of rain possibly.

    Can you spot the difference? First photo from 15 December 2015, second from 16 February 2016.

    151208152110IMG_4088 by Paul fae Fountainbridge, on Flickr 160206100428IMG_4527 by Paul fae Fountainbridge, on Flickr

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    Oddly, where I'm seeing real issues is not Yeaman place per se, but cars pulling off Polwarth crescent and then right up Merchiston ave. very fast and aggressive. No watching for pedestrians, much less stopping. And the school crossing guard's not been there the past few days.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Colonies_Chris
    Member

    And there's a metal plate, covering who knows what, on Dundee St outside the contruction site, opposite the exit from Fountain Park. It's been there so long you can see it on Google StreetView from last June.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    The school opening delayed until October.

    That metal plate is annoying. Also the traffic lights still turn red when there is no traffic exiting or entering the street.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    "

    TWO brand new city schools will be full to bursting within four years, it has emerged.

    Almost £80 million has been spent constructing cutting-edge facilities for James Gillespie’s and Boroughmuir high schools.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/southside/brand-new-edinburgh-high-schools-full-within-four-years-1-4132288

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. Charlethepar
    Member

    Yet, making these schools bigger is probably not the best solution, particularly when there are under- capacity high schools in the city. If they had been built 20% bigger, for the moment that would mean dozens of out of catchment students, with the resultant long journeys and further undermining of other schools and of the connection between communities and their schools. Surprised to see the Green councillor thinking this a good idea.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Boroughmuir catchment has been full for ages. Gillespie's is full because of the Gaelic medium education unit. It was proposed to move that to Tynecastle to relieve pressure on catchment places: as you can imagine that went down like a lead balloon with parents of Gaelic medium pupils. So the issue's been fudged to avoid upsetting influential people. The next council will have to deal with it, one way or another...

    There's no question folk are gaming the system though. I bought a nice Dutch bike recently from a couple who were renting in Bruntsfield, and didn't have any room to store the bikes they brought with them from the Netherlands. Recent arrivals, they had been advised by friends to stay in the Boroughmuir catchment until their kids went there, then they can move to a cheaper area...

    Oh and the Tory councillor has it the wrong way round. It's not about academic standards per se. It's about schools in 'nice' areas having a high percentage of middle class kids, who do well at school. Teachers naturally prefer to work at schools where they can push motivated pupils to achieve more, rather than struggle with kids who are not interested and want to leave at sixteen. So it's more to do with class and inequality creating a vicious circle than academic standards.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. Charlethepar
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    For those really interested, this is a link to a report on Gaelic Medium Education and Capacity at James Gillespie’s and Boroughmuir High Schools to be considered by the Education, Children and Families Committee on Tuesday 24 May 2016. The report has now been published online and is available by clicking on the following link:

    Council Paper

    Unsurprisingly, the full facts are a bit more complex than Scotsman.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. SRD
    Moderator

    I 've been told that another reason that Boroughmuir & JG are full is that more kids from RC primary schools are going there, because of issues at St Thomas of Aquins (which seems plausible based on conversations with a friend's spouse who taught there).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
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    I'm not sure if anyone has numbers to hand, but I think also that one reason the City Centre schools are filling up is that numbers of children of school age in these areas are on the increase after years of decline. Fleeing to the suburbs as soon as the 2.4 nippers are a few years old isn't quite as popular or accessible as it once was.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. SRD
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    yes, i think it's more complicated than 'gaming' - although I'm sure there is some of that too.

    that said, a lot of my new colleagues are moving well outside of town, rather than suburbs.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. cc
    Member

    Most of my long time colleagues moved out to East Lothian, West Lothian, Fife or the Borders years ago. Only a few of us have hung on in Edinburgh.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    "Unsurprisingly, the full facts are a bit more complex than Scotsman."

    I was actually referring to the original council report on this, produced a few years ago (2010 I think), where they were predicting that Gillespie's catchment would be full by 2015. That did explicitly propose a move to Tynecastle, and Tynecastle alone. Presumably the officers were told to think again, hence this new report, which I hadn't seen until now. It's a much more balanced appraisal it must be said, and the demographics at Tynecastle must have changed in the intervening period as it was significantly under capacity six years ago.

    Anyway, yes things are more complicated than just parents gaming the system. I only mentioned it because the person selling me a bike admitted, completely unprompted by me, that renting in the catchment was the reason they didn't have room for their bikes. So it's certainly going on: this person was advised by someone else to do so...

    What I have observed is that the crisis of 2008 led to a drop in the number of young families upping sticks and moving to the suburbs and dormitories once their kids were of school age. This has led to a rise in rolls at primary schools. Also, there has been a big increase in people moving to Edinburgh from all over the world, part of a global trend in increased mobility. Many of these people either have children or start a family once they arrive. Many are renting accommodation in more central districts of the city. So this has had an effect too.

    I also know from speaking to parents that many do intend to move to another catchment before their child reaches P7 (or indeed have already done so), in order to secure a place in a school which is perceived to be better than the local high school. If you're renting, then it makes sense. Or even you rent somewhere else and rent out your owned flat.

    We're not doing that, but are intending to enter the lottery of the out of catchment placing request system instead, as we're not impressed with the catchment school. Not bothering with Boroughmuir or Gillespie's though: little chance of success and awkward to get to for our kids, having to go through the city centre en route...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    If you want the real skinny on capacity issues in Edinburgh schools, here's the 2015 version of an annual report, the 2016 version of which was apparently (according to the report linked to above), withdrawn from the March 2016 committee meeting.

    Linkee

    There's another interesting report from December here:

    Linkee 2

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Oh yeah, on Gillespie's and Gaelic (February this year):

    'Row breaks out in Edinburgh over Gaelic school plan'

    'A row has broken out over a plan for a change to Gaelic education in Edinburgh. Some children who leave the city's Gaelic school this year may not be going to the secondary school they had expected to go to. Their parents are angry, and have claimed that the move could undermine Gaelic education in the capital. The plan will be discussed by the City of Edinburgh Council at a meeting on Tuesday.'

    'Critics of the council's proposals include the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, Dr Angus Morrison, who is a Gaelic speaker.'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35687868

    Except they didn't discuss it. Because the report was withdrawn. Then a specific report pushed back to this month, with rather different options presented.

    The aroma of fudge coming from the Education committee...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    ENews says opening delayed again (not online yet).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

  18. chdot
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  19. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Council in big buildings squeezed onto small, challenging sites often beset by unforseen delays shocker.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    Meanwhile, across town in Porty, staff are moving into the newly completed High School as we type.....pupils start there after the October break. Delays well documented and mostly caused by NIMBYism...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "

    The Northern Irish company scored second last for quality in the council’s wide-ranging contract assessment, but first for price.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/city-schools-being-built-on-cheap-as-council-urged-to-reconsider-process-1-4260196

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. himupstairs
    Member

    I'm involved in a lot of bids for public sector buildings working on the design side, and sadly this is often the way of things. Quality and 'value for money' are generally forgotten about in favour of getting things done cheaply.

    It's the wrong way to procure and build buildings in most cases, but like many other things only gets a mention when things go wrong.

    Grumble grumble, buy cheap buy twice etc.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. neddie
    Member

    There is a really high-quality building, custom designed to be a school, right here:

    https://goo.gl/maps/DQoHpcrrQcR2

    The quality is so high, that such a building could not even be constructed today. It just needs an internal refit, that would cost far less than £35m.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. himupstairs
    Member

    Shiny and new is always better though. Isn't it?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "There is a really high-quality building, custom designed to be a school, right here"

    And you'll soon be able to buy a bijou flat in it.

    (If you can afford one...)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    There is another really high-quality building, custom designed to be a school, right here:

    http://tinyurl.com/h2zs9a7

    Don't think there are any plans for a "shiny and new" version.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. himupstairs
    Member

    Might be a different story if it was operated by the cooncil.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    Think boroughmuir had a refit in living memory, well they were decanted to the famous Darroch resource centre on Gilmore place IIRC as so have st Thomas's when it was rebuilt on its same site and JGHS.. Must be something structurally preventing Darroch being turned into flats. Very low ceilings I do recollect correctly

    Old boroughmuir capacity is about the same as the new one but with a playground. But new one will have wider corridors, to conform to modern standards which I do jot think is possible on the existing site.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. Nelly
    Member

    Having visited the new JGHS a few weeks back, I can't see how the facilities could have been provided in anything other than a new purpose built campus.

    Sometimes new is better.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Only related by geography -

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/fountainbridge-residents-plagued-by-drug-related-crime-1-4273344

    Story headed by photo of not local councillor because -

    "

    Similar concerns have been regularly raised in the Southside by independent councillor Jim Orr
    "

    Posted 7 years ago #

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