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"Edinburgh councillors approve 20mph plans"

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  • Started 2 years ago by spytfyre
  • Latest reply from nedd1e_h

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  1. spytfyre
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  2. SRD
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  3. chdot
    Admin

  4. chdot
    Admin

  5. chdot
    Admin

    Average??

    "

    Edinburgh’s worst tailback was on the A1 and A199, from the A1 junction with the city bypass to Baltic Street in Leith, where vehicles averaged 25mph in the morning peak.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/revealed-scotland-s-most-congested-roads-and-cities-1-4370909

    Posted 9 months ago #
  6. Nelly
    Member

    It's going to be great in a week or two, traffic moving slowly within the new limits, drivers all smiling and not driving stupidly fast on the non 20 mph sections.

    It's going to be cycling Nirvana I tell you.....

    Posted 9 months ago #
  7. acsimpson
    Member

    Some craziness in the 20s though. I witnessed an overtake with oncoming traffic on Melville Drive last week.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    I think Nelly was being ironic. 20mph limits will not stop bad drivers from driving badly. It might slow some of them down, but only if:

    - there are enough drivers observing the speed limit ahead of the bad ones
    - there is some enforcement activity

    It will be interesting to see how well observed the 20mph limit is on Quuen's Drive for example. Or indeed Leith Walk or Easter Road after the sun has set.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  9. PS
    Member

    Snapshot only, but driving through Stockbridge on Sunday the traffic seemed noticeably calmed and observing a 20mph limit.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  10. nevelbell
    Member

    I can't wait for next week. Going to reinstall my VeloCity light (https://velocitylight.com/) and adjust it so reads 20mph, when I'll be actually doing 17mph...ha ha!!

    Posted 9 months ago #
  11. chdot
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  12. rust
    Member

    "amid hopes the lower limit will help keep people safe on the roads"

    Ha. Yep, definitely not statistics, definitely not evidence. Just hopes and dreams.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  13. jdanielp
    Member

    All you need to know ahead of the 20 mph rollout next week - drive at a maximum speed of 20 mph in any of the 20 mph limited areas.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    Ah, but clearly the question vexing EEN readers is "How strictly will it be enforced?"

    Once they realise the answer will be "rarely, if at all", then the fun will begin, especially after dark...

    Posted 9 months ago #
  15. jdanielp
    Member

    Yeah... EEN seem to have gone out of their way to suggest that there is no real need to make any behavioural change.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  16. SRD
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  17. Min
    Member

    Yeah... EEN seem to have gone out of their way to suggest that there is no real need to make any behavioural change.
    They didn't even bother to get Lesley Hinds name correct.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  18. Stickman
    Member

    My impression is that the new EEN journo covering Transport is less sympathetic than Alistair Grant to 20mph, cycling, walking etc.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  19. chdot
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  20. Nelly
    Member

    "sensible replies needed to combat the idiots"

    I have replied copying some stuff from RoSPA on 20mph limits. I don't imagine for a minute it will change the habits of the usual EEN commentators

    Posted 9 months ago #
  21. mgj
    Member

    Another link that may be useful if anyone else can face the comments
    http://www.travelindependent.org.uk/area_187.html

    I cannot expose myself to more of their ranting.

    Does anyone have the figures for how much cheaper road maintenance would be with a lower speed limit (ie fewer potholes)? That might shut them up too.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    Sensible arguments won't convince these reactionary types. They are convinced their prejudices are justified, and you won't change their views through argument or reason.

    Exhibit A: Brexit.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  23. steveo
    Member

    Nothing will quell their rage short of an intervention and regimented prescription medicine. Let them stress them selves to illness.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  24. sallyhinch
    Member

    yikes, that's 19% in favour, 81% against (or thereabouts). People of Edinburgh, do you love your cars more than your children?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  25. Min
    Member

    Short answer - yes.

    Long answer - yes they do.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  26. Stickman
    Member

    If you think the comments on the EEN site are bad, I made the mistake of looking at the corresponding Facebook article. The things people will say under their own name....also a disturbing amount of people wishing violence on Lesley Hinds - it seems especially virulent because she's a woman. All because they have to drive a bit slower.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  27. condor2378
    Member

    Am I allowed to love my bikes more than my children?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  28. ih
    Member

    "Another link that may be useful if anyone else can face the comments"
    "If you think the comments on the EEN site are bad, "

    One new year's resolution I've stuck to is never to read comments in published articles. Believe me, it helps.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  29. steveo
    Member

    Am I allowed to love my bikes more than my children?

    Yes but its frowned upon to tell them. Apparently.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  30. HankChief
    Member

    Cllr Cook is using the survey to try to make political mileage on twitter <sigh>

    Posted 9 months ago #

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