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  1. Dave
    Member

    In the last few days I've seen quite a lot of 'action' (because I'm not wearing the webcam?)

    First, there was finally a crash at the dodgy junction between Elbe St and Links Place - just outside our office.

    Interestingly the Google Streetview shows a decent amount of double yellow lines and no cars, but these seem to have been removed since, so vehicles are parked right around the kerb (it's sometimes hard to find a gap to walk across). With such poor visibility, it was inevitable that somebody would get t-boned trying to peer out, and a car was impaled by a white van.

    Then, I was coming down North Bridge behind a very bright yellow motorbike with full-beam headlights on, who came inches away from piling through the side window of a car which decided to do a sudden u-turn coming the other way! Very dramatic, with smoke, fishtailing, legs sticking out, the whole hog (it didn't help that after he scraped past, the driver tried to finish the manouvre as though me, and the traffic stream following, still didn't exist).

    On the same journey, there was a terrifically near miss between a car heading from Leith Walk to Constitution St and a baddie who was trying to turn right from Constitution onto Great Junction St (illegal turn, through the pedestrian green man etc.). The stupid people coming down Leith Walk in their right turn lane flashed him across, right into the path of another speeding car who fortunately had lightning reflexes.

    This morning, I was nearly smeared by one of Lothian's less outstanding drivers who changed lanes without bothering to see if anyone was in it - bike or car!

    Then finally, I had a gesture-off with a car on the rat run from Manderston to Jane St who clearly saw me, hesitated, half turned across me, then stopped as I zoomed past.

    What was interesting about all of these events, from the point of view of a cyclist interested in getting about town safely, was the singular lack of "recieved wisdom".

    - A driver doesn't see an entire van (quite a large van) which then piledrives them.
    - A driver doesn't see a bright yellow motorbike with full beam headlights (I found it a bit dazzling through my mirror), going at only 20-25mph.
    - A driver makes an illegal turn right through a 30mph traffic stream, not seeing an entire car (again, quite a large and obvious car) about to impale them
    - a bus driver makes an assumption that he can move from the traffic lane to the bus lane, doesn't bother even to check if anything's there
    - a driver sees oncoming traffic but decides to turn across it anyway, because they'll probably brake / move aside.

    It makes a bit of a mockery of advice about "be safe, be seen". I don't think there's any way we can ever be as obvious as a long wheelbase transit van or motorbike with headlights on...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    Crazy stuff!

    I was on a 2 this morning turning from Nicholson Square onto Nicholson St, which had to slam on brakes as female cyclist appeared to have gone through red pedestrian crossing just before the intersection. I didn't see the timing, so it is just possible she was through intersection before it turned...but this looked to me like female cyclist not being risk averse and almost getting smushed by bus.

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  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    was the singular lack of "recieved wisdom"

    did noone let you in on the secret that being in a car gives you superpowers and makes you invulnerable?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "smushed"

    Nice word - know what you mean too. Seems tobhave other meanings...

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smushed

    Wonder if LB uses its cameras to compile horror videos to warn/train its drivers?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  5. Smudge
    Member

    imho and experience from (motor)bike use, it does not matter how visible you are, you could wear a pink tutu and have a neon flashing sign above your head saying "I'm a cyclist" and some drivers wouldn't appear to see you. This is not (always) badness, it is because our brains are programmed to see what we expect to see and to categorise "threats" on how important our subconcious considers them. For that reason when a car driver pulls up at a junction and looks left and right to see if there are any cars coming their brain will often disregard a bike/truck/whatever because they dont "expect" to see it, and will then say after the event "they came out of nowhere".
    If you require a practical demo, ride through a busy part of town in hi-viz with your lights on, then repeat the exercise in hi-viz which at a glance is very similar to Police/Ambulance pattern (of course don't impersonate an officer that's bad!) and watch the difference. The first time I rode a white faired motorbike with orange hi-viz stripes I was honestly astonished, it was like removing a cloak of invisibility, because car drivers subconcious said "uh-oh, look again, that might be a Policeman".

    Of course that's not an excuse, the sort of driving here is criminally careless and could/will kill and maim people, I merely point out that it's often lack of training/awareness or incompetence rather than actual badness....

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. wee folding bike
    Member

    Count the catches.

    http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/flashmovie/15.php

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    Counted the catches missed six of them. Eldest daughter also watched but wasn't counting and confirmed the elephant in the room.

    Very powerful counterpoint to research asking motorists how close they would drive to a cyclist in one of two conditions. Who cares how close someone who has seen you drives to you (well sometimes it is a bit close). It is the people who think you came out of nowhere you have to worry about. SMIDSY

    In the very strange Peter Greenaway movie The Draughtsman's Contract the mistake the draughtsman makes is to draw what he sees rather than what he knows. Some motorists are the other way round, they see what they know not what they see

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  8. recombodna
    Member

    Wow! I counted all the passes and the elephant in the room.....

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    recombodna - that is suspiciously attentive but then you knew there was an elephant in the room

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  10. wee folding bike
    Member

    I've shown videos like that (there are a few versions around) to whole classes and they all counted the catches. When I ask the second question they almost always say no.

    I find a similar problem when kids have to use microscopes. They don't what to see so they don't see it.

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  11. gembo
    Member

    The video is a neat example of how humans process information. If you showed it to some high functioning people on the autism spectrum (I wonder where we could find them? Any ideas?) more of them would get the no. of catches right and be able to answer the second question. There might be a male / female split too (but this would be a smaller effect). This string contains spoilers so would need to repost.

    Unusually for me, it is not too off topic as it does relate to how people drive. Indeed to all road users. E.g. When cycling how far ahead are you looking? How much anticipation are you going for? You do need of course to watch the details of the car/bike in front - e.g. just because they have very recently overtaken you, doesn't mean they aren't going to take a left turn in the next second (sometimes even with an indicator on). At Slateford heading into town there is a set of traffic lights - Tallulah Hairdressers on left Straight ahead towards town, right lane up to Craiglockhart but about once a month a car comes past you in the straightahead lane and then turns sharp left up a gravel road. The frequency is just enough for there to be some residual memory of a very small degree in my brain that allows me [so far] not to bump into the motor car in the straight ahead lane. The traffic lights help too.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. Arellcat
    Moderator

    ...about once a month a car comes past you in the straightahead lane and then turns sharp left up a gravel road...

    This is why it's useful to take the lane at that junction. It also helps if you then want to get into the right-hand lane in order to turn right into Allan Park Road or Meggategate. In my experience it's vehicles wanting to emerge from the gravel road that you need to watch out for, because the opportunity is often quite narrow.

    When I ride in busy streets, I'm reminded of a line in Terminator 2 when the T101 and John are driving at night. "Can you see where you're going?" "I see everything." So I try to observe the heck out of everything, as best I can. Of course, while counting the players in the video I too missed the critical event.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  13. Stepdoh
    Member

    Okay I'm impressed that anyone can relate a peter greenaway to real life in any way.

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  14. gembo
    Member

    @Arellcat - take the lane indeed, quite likely that the bus will stop at the bus stop which is close to the junction. You actually need to be ready to move over and take the right hand lane, so you most certainly need to take the left lane by the scruff. Cars coming out of the gravel path, nightmare.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  15. recombodna
    Member

    recombodna - that is suspiciously attentive but then you knew there was an elephant in the room

    Hey what can I say? I'm good! Regards to the elephant I wondered what the hell you were talking about til I watched the Vid.

    Was out on the motor bike today and had 2 near misses with car drivers pulling out in front of me but both times I had a feeling it was going to happen and reacted quick enough........maybe I'm psycic ooooeeeeoooo!!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  16. Dave
    Member

    Overall, of course, we should be glad that our brains are wired up to pay attention to important things and ignore the rest - just as our ancestors didn't want to miss a sabertooth tiger for all the waving leaves, we don't want motorists to miss a cyclist because their brain is trying to route predict every pedestrian on both sides of the road (for example).

    The problem then is more simply, how do we make sure that motorists' brains consider us to be important and not an extraneous detail? Riding out from the gutter is a good example of an (initially counterintuitive) survival strategy. By being "in the way", you demand far more attention than someone who is not.

    There are surprising consequences of this. For example when the clocks change I often find I am fixated on unlit cyclists at the expense of the rest of the traffic flow. I guess the extra difficulty guaranteeing that they will pass to one side raises their priority in my brain somehow.

    I don't think it's as simple as contrast either. Both my better half and I used to commute up the busy A90 from south Queensferry (back in the day when I rode an upright bike). We both had the same rear light and Wiggle jacket, except hers was high-viz and mine was charcoal.

    She had far more near misses than I did - was this because drivers were holding her to a higher expected predictability because she looked more 'the type' - i.e. they consumed the extra conspicuousness by driving closer?

    Lest this comes across as a "we should all be ninjas" post, I must say that since fitting enormous death-rays on the front of our bikes, there has been a severe drop in dodgy pull-outs....

    Posted 14 years ago #
  17. recombodna
    Member

    since fitting enormous death-rays on the front of our bikes, ....

    How good would that be!!!!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  18. Dave
    Member

    The first thing I would do is vaporise the bonnet of everyone who uses the cycle lanes conveniently painted across the mouth of junctions to nose out in safety!!! :Z

    One of these days I'll have the cojones to just piledrive the bike into their wing panel and have them buy me a new one...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  19. recombodna
    Member

    ...well it's not just bikes people ignore. I just had a BMW pull out on me and stop dead when he realized 2 tons of transit were about to plough into him. I managed to stop about a foot off his drivers door. The look on his face was priceless.....and my brakes work very well! What is it ? Test my reactions week? people keep throwing themselves at me!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  20. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I think that's just beamer drivers in general. I had a fun game of cat and mouse with a sporty 5 series (with 4 exhausts) from the foot of the Canongate, through the park and then up Abbey Mount. The MAMIMLC (MAMI Mid Life Crisis) at the helm just had to reach every junction, roundabout and turn before me - givning me a roar of accellerator and a hiss of turbo dump as he passed. Catching and then passing him at every single occasion really put a big smile on my face. I could just feel the impotent rage and frustration building up behind me.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  21. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    So on Friday night at 1800ish I slips up the inside of the static traffic (6 or so) waiting to turn at filter lights into Salisbury Rd from Dalkeith Rd (oppo Commi Pol you know it!). I finds the ASL totally full of a silver Ford box or similar, So I parks up to wait for lights to change, and can see traffic reversing out of Salisbury Rd onto junction chaos as 3 fire engines are in there doing their thing eg checking out a fire? Then the dopey bandit behind me leans on his horn in an extended fashion? Whit fir? the lights are still red, the route is blocked, the junction is like Heathrow approach on a Friday night, no-one is going anywhere; so I points at the red light with my red glove! Well this makes him lean on the horn even more (red rag to a bull?), then his mate pulls down his window and shouts while the horn is on that I shouldn't pass them! So by now totally deaf in my right ear I points to the light again and it magically turns green at filter, so I 'goes nippy like' and scoots through past the astonished Trumpton crew and the fireywagons all a lit up bluey, wiv me 'aglow' knowing I had just left Gridlock City; a calm overwhelmed me as I zipped down Minto St with nothing behind but my Dust! Shame that bikes can reach the parts that motorists can't!...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Rabid Hamster, you should have pointed them to article 112 of the Highway Code;

    112
    The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn while stationary on the road, except when another road user poses a danger

    Posted 14 years ago #
  23. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    Good point, but I was hoping he'd flatten his battery (horns take a few Amps), or get lifted by a polisman for 112 and BofTP... There again he could just have acted maturely in the first place...

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  24. Dave
    Member

    Funny one with random white van this morning. I was riding up Newington Road towards the junction between East/West Preston St (the bit where traffic is always waiting to turn right so everybody goes into the bus lane).

    I was going at a fair lick and so holding a nice positive position in the bus lane, ready to slot in behind someone when they changed lanes - there was nothing to the right of me, but this white van was a couple of car-lengths back going at about the same speed.

    Said van then realised he was going to have to change lanes, but instead of just slotting behind me (since we were going at the same speed) he tried to overtake first - inevitably he ran out of road at the back of the right-turning queue and so just pulled over into me...

    What made it weird though was that he had obviously been holding back, then when he came up I could see him looking across trying to figure out if there was room to come over or not, and when he did come over he came over very gingerly, obviously knowing I was there.

    So why didn't he just "not"? Normally I watch out for people who don't actually check outside their car at all, which since I can watch faces in wing mirrors as I ride is a surprising proportion...

    I gave him a good rap on the wing as I came past and a two finger salute. He obviously knew he'd screwed up as he held back and didn't overtake again.

    Sigh.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  25. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    @Dave, agree muchly this is a naughty piece of road, as we are just getting our breath back having just plugged up the 'wall of death' that is Minto St Coal Incline! I often turn right into EPSt here and the traffic struggles with indecision because of the right filtering and the left being a bus lane. Good to hear you try to hold a 'positive' position as this is one of the ways that helps prevent you being made into roadkill, and gives you some roadspace latitude to take EVA (Evasive 'Voiding Action), sometimes also referring to one's reaction in the bowels when mortally threatened! I wonder how many microMorts your chosen form of velocipede rates in the MM ratings chart?
    Forgot my pretty flag today so put on more of my red runway lights this morning just in case! Felt a bit vulnerable on Buccleuch St (The death taxi street).
    Then my chain jumped off the big ring (again)! as I turned along W Nicholson St, due to running at 70psi on lumpy cobbled setts. Need to repair the front trouser ring, it's lost 2 mount screws due to CCV (Constant Cobble Vibration). Tarwave riding is more fun!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  26. Dave
    Member

    mM - way less than the last bike anyway. It's both less likely to be crashed into and, in the event that I am hooked or pulled out on, I'll be piling in there feet first instead of face-first.

    I reckon jumping from a first floor window is probably about as violent as t-boning a car that way. I would do it landing on my feet if I had to, but not on my head...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  27. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    I think you'd end up with your 'engine' in your chest, but only after your mega-main tube had ruptured up through your sphincter and spleen! So broken kneecaps would be the least of your worries!
    EEN headlines: 'SHOCK HORROR CARNAGE - man cut out of bicycle in Salisbury Edinburgh, yesterday after Fire Service winched the mangled wreckage out of the sidelight socket of a white Ford Transit. The terrified and shaken van driver was dribbling too much to speak to our reporter Bryan Frogfaceone'. A Spokesperson from Scottish Ambulance Service said the casualty was taken straight to The Bicycle Works to be extracted from his rear mech with some Park Tools! A Dutch bike manufacturer has been arrested in Amsterdam as a result of Police enquiries.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  28. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Rabid Hamster you forgot the comment about "STOP THIS VANITY LIB/LAB TOY TRAIN SET CONSPIRACY"

    Posted 14 years ago #
  29. Dave
    Member

    And on my way to the supermarket this evening (about 7pm), I almost flattened a cretinous fool who decided it would be sensible just to cycle across oncoming traffic (as the lights changed) on the big junction between Craigmillar Park and Cameron Toll.

    In case anybody should get the wrong end of the stick, I wasn't even on the invisible bike but in a large and noisy estate car. I swapped him a good lathering of the horn for a finger gesture or two, but honestly, if whoever it was ever reads this, please either learn to cycle quickly, get yourself a better light or something if you intend to make a habit of diving across oncoming traffic! (or just don't!)

    I didn't see him until I realised he was right in front of me, gave me quite a shock, the dumb ****.

    Of course, he's probably off on another cycle forum griping that some driver nearly knocked him off. It does make you realise there are special people on every mode of transport!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  30. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    I consider there are 'special needs' people everywhere...
    Whilst making my dilatory way up the Pleasance Coal Incline last night at 2000hrs on my version of tin opener, a 'studenty' decided to cross the road downstream from Pleasance Uni ped crossing without looking and from right by a parked car. Yes the crossing was only 20m further up street! In their iPod filled ears they were blissfully unaware of my front mounted crank making wind at their ankle socks! This could have been 'random carnage' in uphill mode but for my rapid EVA (discussed earlier). As my front light winky, winky is at 324.5mm above ground I suppose I'm lower than your average road user, but I think I would advise pedestrians to still look both ways as well as into their souls! She was quite nice looking though; sigh! In 'Nam we always 'took them out' at the ankles with the half-inch Gatlings from the Hueys!

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