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"Hospital workers face car parking ban at ERI"

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  1. AKen
    Member

    Ratho?

    number 20 then number 18.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    This is going to rapidly degenerate into a game of Morningside Crescent...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    we took taxis to labour ward at least twice for each kid - (inductions both). never a problem. cabbies seemed to love it. never seemed worried, just nice smooth drive and wished us well at the end.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. steveo
    Member

    This is going to rapidly degenerate into a game of Morningside Crescent...

    Pre or post Trambles rules?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. ih
    Member

    Caesarian rules?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @kaputnik

    Fly Walk.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. ianfieldhouse
    Member

    >>Ratho?

    >number 20 then number 18.

    No idea where you would need more than two buses then.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    @kaputnik taxis for one and two sprog. Second quite far along as had to wait on granny to arrive to look after number one. Drivers were same as SRD recounts.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. Given we're being particularly pedantic about the number of buses required (I should've known better), I should ah that even if there is nowhere in the city that would require three buses, the statement 'at least two buses' is actually still perfectly correct....

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    If there is anywhere that requires three buses then at least two would be perfectly correct. Otherwise you could also say at most two buses but that starts imolying that the trip is not that big a deal?

    Found a nice example of modus tollens on wiki - the Guard dog barks if it detects an intruder. The guard dog did not bark. It therefore did not detect an intruder. However, you cannot conclude there was not an intruder, just that she wasn't detected by the dug

    I used to take two buses to get to muirhouse, it was a pain particularly if I had a rush of blood and jumped at robertson ave to try to catch the 38. A lovely bus but once every half hour is not frequent enough

    Cycling is soooo much better

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. acsimpson
    Member

    @ih, isn't that a whole section of the rules?

    From what I can tell there isn't a single place on the Lothian buses network which would take more than 2 buses to get to RIE. There is plenty which would take less than 2 buses so at least isn't accurate at all. All the circular routes now seem to take in the hospital or at the very least cross a direct route to it.

    Coming from outside the city most of the time would only require 3 buses if you were having to make a connection at the far end. Or possibly if your only bus option terminated somewhere unlikely such as QMU.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. Hang on, ove just checked my out, and I was referring to the people who were visiting me, and actually stated, rather than 'at least' that 2 buses was the 'minimum' for those specifically visiting me. So actually, the pedantry, and stating how wrong I was, was, ironically, based on a misreading...

    But hey, clearly it's a doddle for everyone to get to the hospital.

    @gembo, if a guard dog falls in a forest and... Hang on... I'm mixing things up aren't I ;)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    Ah wilmington's cow San - some say it is not possible to walk into the same sea twice and one sage even asks is it possible to walk into the same sea once? Those pictures from the depot are great on the neighbouring thread.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "

    From March, a new night bus will link the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh to Ocean Terminal, with bus numbers 8, 11, 16, 21 and 47 also getting new Sunday services.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/lothian-buses-announces-cuts-to-rural-services-1-3704813

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    How long before drone strikes are called in?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-31950150

    When did anyone ever strike anyone else about bicycle parking? What is it about cars that makes people turn into lunatics?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Meanwhile, in Aberdeen;
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-32709422

    Ian "It's My Oil" Wood's foundation offering £10 million to build a 1,000 space car park Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.

    I would imagine the ARI serves a fairly large catchment in the northeast of Scotland therefore is always going to have additional pressure from relatives travelling from further afield so perhaps £10,000 a space seems like value for money to the Wood Foundation. It still strikes me as somewhat excessive - ARI has ~900 inpatient beds, do hospitals really need more than 1 visitor space per bed? Also it does nothing to address the issues for those without a car or unable to drive, who find it much harder to get easily to hospitals than those who expect to be able to park within 100m of the main door.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. DaveC
    Member

    I visited the hospital in Larbet at the weekend. It was nice that they dn't appear to charge visitors, on a weekend at least?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    Think SNP Gov abolished where it could - ie NHS not PFI ones!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. Snowy
    Member

    The PFI ones are commercial contracts, so someone would have to pay to buy out the remainder of the contract so that the public could park for free. But there may be no obligation on the site operator to accept a buyout. Given that these contracts tend to be for 10 years, it could be large sums of money involved - for the 1800 spaces at ERI, maybe £40 million over ten years? (caution: back of envelope calculation). Personally I contributed over £100 in 2014 to the coffers of Consort's ERI parking thanks to various relatives, but 2015 is going better...!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. unhurt
    Member

    Question: does anyone know what the bike parking is like at the Royal? I have an appointment there on Wednesday morning...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Min
    Member

    There are pretty enormous quantities of it. I don't think you should really have a problem finding a space though you may have a problem finding your bike again afterwards. Most of it is hidden round the back mind you.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Looking on OpenStreetMap, there are five blue dots marking the bike parking. The big C/80 is covered/caged that looks like employee-only parking.

    http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/55.92177/-3.13693&layers=C

    But the ones I used to use, under the round area just to the left of the red cross on the map, aren't marked. Have they been moved?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Min
    Member

    They are still there. There are more racks arrayed a lot of the way along the outside of the building as well, front and back.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. SRD
    Moderator

    There used to be some outside the maternity etc entrance that don't show on there either ( i think).

    I've never had trouble parking there for an appointment.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. steveo
    Member

    They were still there 14 months ago but one or two of them looked a little too shoogly for my liking, plus smokers...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. unhurt
    Member

    Thanks all. I'm not even sure where the front IS now (people at work say it's swapped sides?) but it sounds as if I won't be left spending 20 minutes trying to find somewhere to lock up, which was my concern as I have a meeting I'll have to leave early as it is...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    "

    A meeting has taken place with hospital chiefs considering proposals to be brought in as early as August which will see the maximum tariff for staff parking in visitor and patients car parks increase from the current £7 to £15 – a staggering 114 per cent rise.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/health/outcry-over-rise-in-edinburgh-royal-infirmary-parking-fees-1-4401188

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. Ed1
    Member

    There is a good bus service to the hospital the horsburgh staff bus and public bus that runs to Livingston. I recall when this topic was previously discussed the criteria used for staff did not appear to take account of pay. Also there seemed to be an insider outsider, typical public sector criteria used that favoured pre-existing “claimants” .

    Rather than everyone effectively retendering for a parking space every time someone applies, once allocate a space pre-existing bias. So it may be a case that someone that would score more points is denied a space to pre-existing bias. This also happens services delivered to public such as council houses etc. Legacy discrimination effectively being a bedrock of British public sector fairness ethic, possibly relate to the historically close affiliation of unions where insider outsider and pre-existing favour to justification further advantage central to membership.

    I also wondered what is the scope for gaming this criteria such as choose location of childcare to meet the criteria and also choosing where to live to a lesser extend as would be more disruption.

    Although would tend to think nurses and care workers should receive free parking as work shifts and do deliver a vital service, may be the Scottish government could rent out the spaces at Victoria Quay and use the money to pay for parking charges for health care workers. Also the labour mps that voted for the PFI could pay a part of their pension as compensation for the poor value they delivered as seems silly that these ex officials and mps sat around on 50k a year after losing so much money and a life time of avoiding work so to put something back could be a surcharge on officials pensions a compensation fund for to pay for above market rate costs created through poor value contracts.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    I don't mind paying during the day but if you have to go there at night when there are very few buses (or none at all) it is a downright rip off.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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