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"Hospital workers face car parking ban at ERI"

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  1. acsimpson
    Member

    Congestion around ERI could be reduced by offering free and frequent shuttle buses from all the cities park and rides (including ferrytoll). Then charge for the parking including a weekly/monthly cap. Potentially also introducing a further kind of income/home address based reduction in parking charges.

    I agree that there should be a free option for those that need to get to the hospital, however I don't agree that it also needs to be the most convenient option. This includes people living in Leith just as much as it does those who live in Fife. Just because your daily life means you need a car doesn't mean you should also be afforded a free option at the exclusion of others. A drive from Fife at many times will actually end up quicker than getting the bus from places within Edinburgh.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. Baldcyclist
    Member

    The free park and ride bus option would work for me, though Ferrytoll maybe too far out.

    What would the cost of that be compared to maintaining the car park, and who would pay for it? Health budget like the car park?

    Just for clarity my daily life doesn't require car use, I do have one but it spends 95% of the time on the drive. However I do consider hospital visits an essential reason to use it when required.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Morningsider
    Member

    The Scottish Government paid £26.3m to buy out the PFI parking contract at the Glasgow Royal Infirmary and £9m for Ninewells in Dundee. I can't find details for the Edinburgh buy-out, but I imagine it is in the same region.

    Annual investment in bus, walking and cycling access to these hospitals would likely be measured in the tens of thousands of pounds, principally to support some bus services. Probably less than it costs to employ people to manage the parking permit system and to patrol the car park.

    I agree with @Baldcyclist that some car access is always going to be required. What annoys me is that, despite national and local government policy aiming to reduce car travel, almost all the investment is going towards facilitating access by car AND the only solution being mentioned by politicians is MORE CARS!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @Morningsider the ERI parking buyout is not completed yet, presumably wrangling over price. £950k per quarter being forked over in the meantime.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. Dave
    Member

    Different hospital, but one acquaintance lives by Firhill and drives to work at the Western while the other drives to work on Morningside Road (!) and no chance of shifting them even with an ebike loan.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    @Dave - I reckon a cyclist could always get between Firrhill and Morningside Road quicker than a driver, as you can nip through the old City Hospital which is closed as a through-route to traffic. I suppose it is actually a low traffic neighbourhood, but no-one thinks of it as that.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. Dave
    Member

    I've been trying to see if Braid burn valley, over to Greenbank-Meadows quiet route then cut west at the relevant part of Morningside road (by Waitrose) would be traffic free enough..

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Yes, the usual low traffic route is along Firrhill Drive and the Braid Burn path as far as Oxgangs Avenue. There is no pedestrian crossing at this point but the sight lines are good. Continue into Braid Burn Valley Park and at the northern end use the crossing to get to Braidburn Terrace and thence the notional quiet route to Cluny Gardens.

    Morningside Road as far as Millar Crescent is not low traffic, but there is no other closer access to the Royal Ed if that was wanted as the alternative route north.

    If Colinton Road had a proper separated cycling route on it, and if the snicket parallel to the railway as far as Craighouse Road/Myreside Road was properly formed, it would be a decent route because it links the western entrance to the Royal Ed and you follow the cinder path up and around to the main road through to Tipperlin.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. Dave
    Member

    The entrance to the hospital on the west side didn't exist when we lived on that side of town... what's the traffic like on the Morningside edge of the site?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Morningsider
    Member

    If you are cycling between Firrhill and the Royal Ed, I would suggest going up the side road by Firrhill High School, turn right and pass Milestone House, shared use path through the old City Hospital to Littlejohn Avenue, out onto Greenbank Drive and then on to Morningside Grove, hang a left and down Myreside and into the "back" entrance of the hospital.

    Only down sides are the mini roundabout and steepness of Morningside Grove. Traffic shouldn't be too bad, unless it is Watson's traffic time - then all bets are off.

    Does show you how bad things really are, that a journey of a mile and a bit in a leafy suburb requires so much planning and is possibly still too grim for most people.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    It is mad. Google walking directions are 2 miles each way; that's just 8 minutes on an ebike. And yet if people aren't willing to be exposed to traffic danger they are stuck doing a 15-20 minute drive (inc parking). Not money, not weather, not even hills. Just car danger.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    (England)


    Defending the move, he said over 93% of NHS trusts that charge for car parking have now “implemented free parking for those in greatest need, including NHS staff working overnight.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/free-parking-nhs-staff-covid-b2046720.html

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. Tulyar
    Member

    @Arellcat kindly checked out the timings but Shawfair station could be an easy bike ride from ERI with a few small tweaks:
    - a more direct exit route from Edinburgh platform
    - a decent crossing of Millerhill Road
    - field path upgrade to Danderhall
    - more direct path along line of aqueduct/pipeline into hospital

    Based of the effect on other stations with good links this would boost the c.30.000 boardings/year from Shawfair

    For those on foot, a frequent (& small) electric bus, shuttling Sheriffhall-Shawfair-Main doors might run - possibly using bus only link road to run to Newcraighall (often empty parking at retail park outside shopping hours) perhaps 3-4 buses to deliver service every 2-3 minutes, with CCTV/real time tracking to display train/bus position at stations/on bus. This bus service also connecting with other bus services (from E Lothian) at Newcraighall & Fort Kinnaird cutting journey times.

    The shuttle bus should be free to board - & underwritten by a sponsor package or contributions from Sheriffhall/Newcraighall parking charges, and a % based on Scotrail monthly boardings total, plus the savings made by ERI on not providing free car parking.

    Having also had recent chat with Scotrail director, the potential for unlocking the silos that block/delay use of stations as local community hubs, to look at a convenience store/GP Surgery-Health Centre at Shawfair Station, providing staff presence & local activity - especially for the new housing developments within walking & cycling distance

    A big silos issue here is that the Edinburgh-Midlothian boundary screws up projects that 'cannot' be managed under a single umbrella. Perhaps a Sustrans/Paths for All detail that can coalesce all funding streams & have a single project management

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Tulyar
    Member

    @mornigsider - Ninewells is under 2 Km from Invergowrie Station, & with a new path along the railway boundary & the edge of WLGore factory it could be cut to around 1.5Km and built with 'open' aspect with good lighting & clear views along the path - lobby point here for contacts in WLGore to develop this as a connection (& Dundee Technology Park) between their factory & trains to Glasgow/Dundee

    I've already fed in to the Network Rail planning process (at GRIP2 stage FYI) to get provision for an e-bike charging connection at Invergowrie, in their planned upgrade, and to press for the Embark e-bikes to go in at the station & Ninewells (& WL Gore/Technology Park) - e bikes needed for the slight hill?

    The new timetable in May sees an hourly service for Invergowrie - so an appeal for those promoting active travel to promote & enable this link?

    My DM open

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Yes but

    That’s ALL

    TOO

    SENSIBLE

    So much COULD be done

    So much SHOULD have been done YEARS ago

    Not even sure making bus services free would make much difference.

    To ‘most people’ PT (especially buses) are unattractive/‘difficult’ - and (because of Covid) ‘dangerous’.

    In addition, cars are ‘simple’ and ‘free to use’ - apart from fuel of course…

    Time for a change (long overdue of course). SG says got to reduce car mileage by 20%, John Lauder working for/with ‘new’ railway.

    Keep coming up with SMART solutions, keep talking to the ‘right’ people. One day something might (WILL) happen.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. Tulyar
    Member

    @morningsider - per GRI - the 1000-space multi storey only cost £7.5m to build!

    GRI is only 400 metres from High Street Station an 8-10 minute walk (or less if you walk at my pace) - closer than Gartnaval is to Hyndland, but not promoted in anywhere close to the same way

    The bus stops have no shelter, no real time screens, & passengers have to cross the horrible 4-5 lanes of Castle Street (no direct & clean route) plus the 4 lanes of Cathedral Street/M8 Junction 15 approaches to get to/from the hospital. I was in there in 2000 after I broke my hip (decelerating 20-0 mph on impact with the tarmac, when a pothole took me off the bike) and watched the bus drivers letting passengers of (illegally) as they were held in the queue at the traffic lights on the J15 off ramps to cut over the waste ground/car park to get to the hospital

    Restoring the original M8 junction on to Alexandra Parade for buses & coaches only would enable the X19 (Easterhouse to QEUH) and 900 to stop right at the door of the hospital inbound from East, but the ultimate has to be creating a through bus road through the old archway to Molindinar Road and buses stopping right in the middle of the hospital

    Some radical work though to deliver direct & pleasant paths from Springburn, & areas North of the M8 - quite an adventure to explore how the existing paths have been threaded through as the afterthoughts once the convenience of drivers has been dealt with

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. Tulyar
    Member

    Reminds me to write to John Lauder - I did some of the work he's looking at 20 years ago for Scotrail, covering 20 stations

    Also to get in at the early stages of planning - there are e-bike charging provisions going in for the Aberdeen-Inverness planning

    Plus some impressive results already for just 3 months of 30 bikes in Inverness bike hire system around 40% of hires Inverness Station-Raigmore Hospital (They should also have Brompton Hire live by now - at Inverness Station, also at Elgin & Oban)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. Frenchy
    Member

    I did some of the work he's looking at 20 years ago for Scotrail, covering 20 stations

    Which stations - and is there somewhere we can read this? Spokes considering doing similar at the moment.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. Tulyar
    Member

    My ex- took away one of the PC's without letting me clear files, and at present the paper archives are out of reach in the exclusion zone where my house is - thanks to a panic about a church tower 53 metres & 900T which is either about to collapse or totally stable depending on which way you assess the risk

    It was all the E-G express route, & Dunblane triangle Inverness-Aberdeen & selected others

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    It comes amid a number of reports of staff car park is ‘barely half full’ every day while a "huge proportion of the workforce struggle with their commute".

    Staff have written to health bosses urging them to award priority points under the permit scheme for those who don't work core hours of 9 to 5.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/royal-infirmary-of-edinburgh-nurses-threatened-by-angry-residents-as-parking-row-boils-over-3642241

    Some of the issues/solutions have already been discussed here.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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