"I think it's been vehicles about-turning since the bar appeared."
No doubt, but why??
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George St cycle lane
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It's very important to be able to drive to the pub...
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The diagram suggests drivers doing a U-turn at the bar, so probably putting the "road closed" at the last possible place rather than at the road entrance? They do have precedent... I wonder if it will be a hand-laminated sign...
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Ysolda Teague (@ysolda)
06/08/2015 19:20
@CyclingEdin @LAHinds @RangiRevo @Edinburgh_CC @Universalarts @SustransScot well it exists...http://pic.twitter.com/IF6UsoKocD
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Lesley Hinds (@LAHinds)
06/08/2015 19:47
@springles88 @NiallA_Ed @CyclingEdin @Edinburgh_CC all signage should be up by tomorrow at the latest"
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Hmmm, that's rather, erm, narrow....
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I wonder if it, err, you know, might get caught by a Northerly wind and shuffled a bit wider...
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They are strong those winds....
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...especially when working together
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Who knows, it might look much better in the fresh light of morning...
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Boyfriend Of Fimm and I went that way last night. When he got to the blockage, BoF did a u-turn, cycled back along the pavement, over the zebra crossing and down Castle Street North (I did the same but I walked on the pavement). We then turned right along Queen Street which was the easiest way to get to our destination.
Coming back, I could see that the "lane" is there, but when you get to the end of it it just stops and at the time we went past it was blocked with parked cars, i.e. there's no way to get back on the the northern side of the road.
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Yep, can see that would have been the case fimm!
Checked it out this morning. Not as narrow as feared, save at one point, where it's open for pub goes to pass, which inconveniently meant narrowing, left shuffle, looking out for pedestrians, massive cable trunking speed bump all in one go.
But it does then just 'end' at the opposite end.
No signs up yet either (which according to LA would be up by yesterday...). Saw quite a few confused cyclists heading east.
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Sod it, email sent to Universal Arts' press guy who got involved:
Hi Chris
I’m contacting you because you managed to get involved in the Twitter debate about the cycle access on George Street and seemed to have much more of the background on what had gone on than the Council! I’m @urbancyclist on Twitter, so one of those who was complaining about the lack of provision. But basically the reason I’m contacting you is to see if anyone from Universal Arts would be willing to meet with an actual cyclist or two, those who use the facility and so (much more than an officer from the Council I suspect) know how it should and can work?
I rode through the solution today, and apart from the fact the Council hasn’t yet provided signs it said would be by now, there’s a nasty narrowing right in the middle that coincides with a shuffle left, the crossing for bar-goers and one of the big cabling speed bumps. It’s a little marooned as well – heading east you’re just left in no-man’s land with no route to get back to the lane. Obviously it looks like all of the set-up is still going on, and I’m confident things could be ironed out as part of an inevitable snagging you guys will be having to deal with in such an undertaking.
Oh, and if we could talk about that bike parking and discounts for cyclists…. ;)
Anyway, the offer is there, I’d be happy to wander round if and when convenient if you wanted to drop me a line.
Many thanks
AnthonyPosted 8 years ago # -
Good idea(s).
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Oh yes. Those "speed bumps" (I assume they carry power cables & stuff) are EVIL. I think the small-wheels of the Brompton made it worse. I think I clipped one with a pedal.
Posted 8 years ago # -
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This will often have very little to do with the way the street itself is designed. Waltham Forest managed to transform Orford Road into a pleasant place, simply by closing it to motor traffic.
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https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/blindness-to-motor-traffic/
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There was a weary-looking fluorotabard shifting a couple of the hedgeboxes this morning, one of which might have had a sign on the side I couldn't see. Lane shuffled back at the bumps to make it wide enough, but even whilst I was there this morning there were a few cyclists riding east on the westbound road and some on the south footway, though one was the greybeard courier who always rides on footways.
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Have had a voicemail left - things may change again, the Fire Service has to give clearance for any construction being put up, and I have a feeling the traffic lane may have been narrowed too much for them with the barriered-off lane.
Does sound like misinformation from the council at times, and they were supposed to deliver signs yesterday, but haven't yet. The solution was arrived at by two folk from the Council walking round and then telling Universal Arts what they were to do.
Said he'd keep me updated...
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Rough footage from this morning's visit:
[+] Embed the video | Video Download Get the Flash Video It's definitely very slightly better having a barriered-off channel to legally flow contrary to the westbound all-vehicle traffic (rather than just taking chances, as some were doing yesterday but as some are still doing today) but it'd be a lot better the other side of the compound, away from the cable conduits and motor traffic.
Did the council accidentally contractually promise Universal Arts a specified measured area of street, resulting in the backtrack/compromise-cycle-contraflow reducing the width of the traffic lane rather than taking space back from the bar?Posted 8 years ago # -
Wow.
Shows what happens when you put confusing things in - people get confused. Note the cyclist who didn't want to cycle over the hump - I'd be tempted to do that too, in both directions.Posted 8 years ago # -
Jeez that looks horrendous.
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I think this all boils down to a cock up that now can't be reversed. Very very poor all round. But hey, don't you feel wanted, cared for and cherished as a cyclist in the city?
Remember, to think otherwise, and to criticise, is merely you being 'harsh'.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Jeez that looks differently awesome..
Posted 8 years ago # -
I'm pretty sure I'd not get the mtb down that contraflow, the bars are significantly wider than road bike bars. Thought the hump wouldn't be nearly so much trouble.
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Good grief, that's awful. I'd be tempted to salmon my way on the road as well.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Rode it this morning. Could not believe I was fed directly into oncoming traffic. This is lethal!
Posted 8 years ago # -
"Dear Cyclist,
The team at New Town Theatres has been trying hard to ensure our Fringe garden can work alongside the 2-way cycle lane on George Street. We have had the needs of cyclists in mind since our plans were first developed.
We are working with City of Edinburgh Council to find ways to make this happen, and hope to arrive at a solution that works for everyone.
Kind regards,
Universal Arts."Plenty of space to the north of the facility, even when there are people present. There are what one might call vast areas of space between the sparsely-distributed tables. There's the added unfortunateness of a mobile hot-food-vending cart (and some people sitting on the ground consuming its products) slap bang in front of the CYCLISTS DISMOUNT sign at the west end of the annexed path, but I expect the council is fully aware of it and working with them to achieve a satisfactory solution, too.
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"The diagram suggests drivers doing a U-turn at the bar, so probably putting the "road closed" at the last possible place rather than at the road entrance? They do have precedent... I wonder if it will be a hand-laminated sign..."
Oh so cynical!
Posted 8 years ago # -
just close it to motor vehicles, surely?
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This IS Edinburgh.
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