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"Apple plans to open first ever shop in the Capital"

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  1. chdot
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  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I for one cannot wair for the first ever shop to be opened in our fair city. I've been desperate to buy something for years.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. steveo
    Member

    "Apple plans to open first ever shop in the Capital"

    Rubbish there used to be an apple store at the bottom of the Cowgate where it becomes Holyrood Road. It then moved up passed the bridges, this was of course the pre-iPod era.

    This little building here . I got my performa from there back in the day.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "Rubbish there used to be an apple store at the bottom of the Cowgate"

    Yes/no

    That's the one that moved to South Clerk Street - not owned by Apple.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. steveo
    Member

    bah, a technicality.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Steve, I bought a Performa from there too, along with my since well-used copy of Marathon ∞ . The Apple Centre was in that lovely little building much earlier than that, since they provided all the Macs at my school; maybe they also had a hand in that old IIcx as used by a fellow CCEer. Then the Apple Centre moved house, as chdot said, and turned into Scotsys for a while, then became Cancom or something.

    An Apple Store on Princes St might just brighten the place up a bit, but it would be nice if it was in a proper stone-fronted building with fiddly masonry, than yet another styleless plate glass unit.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. PS
    Member

    Can't imagine Cancom are too pleased with this news, unless students are too lazy to wander down to Princes Street from the south side.

    On reflection, they'll probably be okay...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    You mean like this -

    Princes Street is a bit of a shambles (not talking about the tram), so a good (subjective) glass building might be an improvement.

    There is no chance of a return to the Georgian or even some sense of Victorian homogeneity.

    Younger viewers may not be aware of the 60's plan for a pavement in the sky - look up next time you are there-

    http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/princes_street_shopping.htm

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Aberdeen has an apple store. I can't see that it has brought any positive benefits for cycling to that particular city...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    Arellcat that old IIcx as used by a fellow CCEer.

    One hell of a computer... I paid my mortgage for 3 years using a second-hand one from a repro company in Glasgow. (What's repro?? I can hear you ask. What we call pre-press etc)

    kaputnik "I for one cannot wait for the first ever shop to be opened in our fair city. I've been desperate to buy something for years."
    You mean you don't buy from Apple every day? You're a disgrace to hyperconsumerism;-)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    Nothing wrong with a IIcx, mine just finally died late last year! ps Niiice photo of the Cooncil ladder and special lifting device used for planting the Floral Clock, with, incidentally, an appalling '60s building in the background! Well done chdot! Pesky cyclists in Princes St Gdns keep riding down the FC staircase; much grief for the Park Rangers!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    appalling '60s building in the background

    Soon to be joined by some appalling '10s buildings?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    @chdot - I am with Steveo - when the Holyrood shop operated in the 1980s I think it was Scotsys who owned it but they were the sole ? suppliers of AppleMac etc at the time up here, that is my foggy recollection - tiny little creatures with 9 in screens, quite cute in a cuboid sort of way

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "I am with Steveo"

    That's nice.

    "I think it was Scotsys who owned it"

    Yes not Apple.

    "tiny little creatures with 9 in screens, quite cute in a cuboid sort of way"

    Er yes,

    and others too. I bought my first ever new Mac/laptop there.

    Seemed wonderful at the time. Now I can't believe how slow it was!!

    Same price as you can now buy a carbon fibre racer.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. LaidBack
    Member

    then the sole ? suppliers of AppleMac

    Then companies like Macintosh Red moved into the market selling to ad and design agencies. They had office down in Dean Village. I got a Syquest drive from them.

    My wife used both Scotsys and MR around 1990. She was working for Scottish Community Education at the time and they had a network of 14 Macs (8 or 16mhz Plus and maybe a 25mhz model for heavier work. Progs used Pagemaker and Freehand)

    One problem was that the Applelink cables were notorious for falling out the mini DIN type sockets.

    SCE's computing power was ahead of many commercial concerns. At the agency I worked at we used Pantone markers and photocopies to make up visuals - we could at that time beat a computer. Direct olour output wasn't possible or affordable til mid 90s and later if I remember correctly

    SHORT (yawn) HISTORY (just like yesterday for me...)
    At the agency 'real typography' was bought from Artwork Associates or Page and pasted in. Detailed type was worked out by a typographer along with a skilled photosetter (using a Linotype or Berthold with laser setting). This was not a WYSIWYG but required skill and planning.
    I was a 'luddite' until I had to work for myself in 93 and upgraded from a Plus to iiCX to Quadra to PowerMac etc
    As did many others here no doubt.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Arellcat
    Moderator

    As did many others here no doubt.

    Yup. The Performa (one of the Classic-on-steroids ones) was blazing fast compared to a friend's IIci, but when trying to play Marathon in hi-res, or Flight Unlimited, it just shrugged its shoulders as if to say "Are you having a laugh?" Sorted out the horsepower problem with a Powerbook 3400, then upgraded to a PowerMac 9500 into which was stuffed a G4 processor, three hard disks and so on, then eventually went for a Mac Mini.

    Still loving my mechanical keyswitched Apple Extended keyboard, too!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. LaidBack
    Member

    One early non-work Mac experience was playing Chuck Yeager's Air Combat.
    In the early days this could be played over Applelink connections. Unlike PCs you could get Macs to see each other quite easily (if the leads stayed in!)

    So it was possible to have a multi-player gaming experience in around 94.

    Using Ethernet between a PowerPC 8500 and a G3 upped the performance. Typical challenges were trying to find your opponents F4 by using the radar window.
    Chuck would tell you how well you had done or respond with 'I don't even know you'. Quite sophisticated for its time in a warlike way. PC'ers would dismiss Macs but few were able to connect machines up for multi play games till later on.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    So it was possible to have a multi-player gaming experience in around 94.

    Us spotty teenagers with International Business Machines compatible devices had to wait until 1995 for Command and Conquer to get us hooked on running Mum and Dad's phonebill through the roof.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. LaidBack
    Member

    So it was possible to have a multi-player gaming experience in around 94?

    Two players maybe more. Chuck Yeager's Air Combat also allowed you to send screen messages to the other player on your network.

    Moving grahics files between machines was a huge advantage in the pre CD writer age. Just a question of using 'chooser' to make a Mac visible.
    One person could work on scans and Photoshop and the other one would be on Quark doing type layout. Then files could be sent slowly by Applelink (or paired 'twisted' Ethernet) allowing a team effort of lower powered machines.
    Running two monitors from one mac was other trick. This allowed a small screen to have your command windows and the larger screen to look at job. Mac had the odd thing of pushing things off the edge of one screen and onto the next - in '94 people though that was 'cool'. In fact it was a cool idea as two page monitors costed £2k and were in mono as big scale colour generation took too much video RAM.
    Chuck Yeager would run on 16 colours which meant some things became invisible. Still in 3d although very crude by today's standards.

    The odd thing now is that I don't have an internal network now although the ethernet cables are still in use from my wireless hub.

    I email files across the room if required - which is really 'dated' in comparison with how it was 15 years ago.
    My wife was my tech adviser so I did have an advantage after her early system 6 networking knowledge.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "Retail experts say the company is set to move into the first block at the east end of the street, which currently contains Burger King and is soon to undergo refurbishment."

    http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Apple-store-hotel-and-restaurant.6727114.jp

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. DaveC
    Member

    Cool round the corner from me then, and about a mile from the Reseller up by West/East Nicolson St.

    Oh I recall that shop opposite the Holyrood tavern. I think they also sold Acorn Computers, as I recall that sign in the window, when I watched Micro Men on TV last week.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Am I the only Mac user who hasn't felt the need to go out and buy an iPhone or an iPad? Maybe I'm just happy in my ignorance of multi-touch gestures and 'there's an app for that' and so on.

    So it was possible to have a multi-player gaming experience in around 94?

    Two players maybe more. Chuck Yeager's Air Combat also allowed you to send screen messages to the other player on your network.

    1994? What about 1984? Randy Carr wrote Net Trek using an Apple Lisa and assembly language!

    Multiplayer? Check.
    Player-to-player messaging? Check.
    Graphics? Black and white.

    I had Chuck Yeager's Air Combat too but preferred F-A18 Hornet. Actually, I mostly preferred playing Maelstrom.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. steveo
    Member

    Bar my museum piece Performa and my 1st gen 5gb iPod my house is entirely apple free.

    Yeah thats right i had an iPod before they were cool.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. kaputnik
    Moderator

    We had a BBC Micro that my Mum "borrowed" from the school during the holidays. My dad hooked it up to the stereo so we could load tape games and then the colour telly so we could play Alex Higgins Snooker in 3 colours! Also had other primary school favourites like Granny's Garden and Geordie Racer.

    Never had any apple paraphenalia myself, but bought a Samsung Yepp MP3 player with proceeds of Herald & Post Round in about 1998. 32MB memory (expandable up to another 32MB using flash cards at about £90 each). Paralell port connection so had to be big enough to take a printer cable! So think I can claim to have had an MP3 player before they were cool or practical. I went back to minidisc after that until about 2003 after it died from being carried in a pocket with a milkybar that melted and worked its way inside into the circuitry.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. ruggtomcat
    Member

    Maelstrom FTW!

    Ive gone off apple products, as the design gets better the hardware/software gets worse.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. cb
    Member

    "as the design gets better the hardware/software gets worse."

    Uninstalling iTunes* was the best bit about moving from an iPhone to an Android phone.

    Laughed at this the other day, then went home and had horrible HTC Sync problems :-(

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/28/charlie-brooker-pfroblem-with-macs"

    *Add/Remove programs, uninstall iTunes then go back and repeat the process about another FIVE HUNDRED times to remove all the helper services.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. steveo
    Member

    So think I can claim to have had an MP3 player before they were cool or practical

    My first one was parallel but i "upgraded" to serial. I had two before they were cool or practical. I've still got a flash card but they seem to have a very bad life span.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. wee folding bike
    Member

    Lots of Macs, replaced the HD in my auntie's 24" iMac at the weekend. Also an original iPod, no size on the back.

    No iPhone or iPad. I get the cheapest phone in the shop.

    Using a Mac Mini at work.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    As regular readers know I have/like Macs/Apple stuff.

    Apple is an outstanding company which makes amazing stuff and (in many ways) has changed various aspects of the modern world.

    That doesn't mean that everything they have made is great or 'better than...'

    I seldom touch a PC so can't really say how current PC/Mac software compares these days.

    I think iPhones are truly amazing. I had to wait for the second generation before finding out as the first one was expensive (didn't have an iPod 'til about v.5). Arguably things like cut and paste should have been available earlier - but you can't have everything all the time. Android may or may not be better but I don't suppose I'll ever find out...

    There's an iPad in the house (not mine) replaced an eMac - massively lower energy requirement.

    Oh, and for those who don't know, the iPad 2 is due to be announced today.

    Is it a year since a lot of 'experts' said there was no market for it??

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. Stepdoh
    Member

    I was always a Commodore person till I bought my first PC in 99 (for mainly fiscal and gaming reasons). My plus 4 then 64 then Amiga progression took me all the way to second year of university. Always seemed pretty ahead of the curve in use.

    School had some of new colour macs then when I did work experience at the Greenock Telegraph I was onto some very classic classics (with two disc drives, one to boot the OS, one to save stuff one.)

    Uni was another step back. Anyone who ever went to the Napier newsroom was greeted with a pile of 3" drive toting Amstrad PCWs. (which near to the end of my time there were finally replaced with some 2nd Gen Blue iMacs) Everthing else on campus was a PC.

    Fairly happy in XP-ville and android-land to be honest. But then again, I'm a tinkerer and find OSX too closed a shop.

    Guess the miracle of macs is how well the OS runs on a fixed set of specifications. The flipside is the wonder of windows is how it can run well on the multitude of mongrels that make up the PC market. *but that's not to start an argument!

    Posted 11 years ago #

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