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Elaine Skinley (@ElaineSkinley)
31/05/2015 08:32
East side of Clickimin path now open #SustransScot #transcotland @John_Lauder @keithirving1
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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Infrastructure
Tactile highlight of the day
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Posted 9 years ago #
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My building at work has a wide stair case that connects the ground floor lobby to the first floor. I've only just realised that the carpet has tactiles built in at the top and bottom of the staircase.
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"at the top and bottom of the staircase"
That seems reasonable...
Posted 9 years ago # -
Although this looks like the right sort of tactiles have been installed first time on the Links Place path spur, there's still time for Crummock to stencil the stylised bikes on the wrong side...
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The stencils that Herriot watt have used on the bike path at the west gate look like shopping trolleys.
You can't use the road now as there is a barrier that cars have to stop at. Presume it is then triggered either automatically or by an employee. The path is quicker anyway.
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Anyone noticed that the tactiles on the cycle side of NMW on the corner with the dog-leg to Melville Drive have been lifted and moved?
Excellent move, but instead of replacing the tactiles that had been there, they seem to have replaced with round-top ones....
And of course the repair makes the junction look even messier than before.
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@SRD I noticed the NMW repositioning (if not the change of type) on my way home yesterday, but I forgot to post. They are in the process of installing tactiles half-way up MMW in the vicinity of the newish give-way markings.
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I may be wide of the mark but Crummock are currently playing with the end of the A90 path at Crammond Brig. I was sure I saw dimpled tactiles there at the start of the week but yesterday they appeared to be round topped corrugations. They had only laid perpendicular ones at the time but would anyone like to guess which type will be laid should they be planning to add any parallel ones?
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From memory, this path isn't segregated in any way, so 'tramline' tactiles (flat topped corrugations) wouldn't be right. 'Dimpled' tactiles are for the transition from path to carriageway, so these may be appropriate at the dropped kerb from the path onto the road that goes down to Crammond Brig. 'Corduroy' tactiles (round topped corrugations) usually indicate a hazard such as steps (up or down) so I can't see a use for these here. Maybe dimples are the right ones at the kerb. I will have to take a look!
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They are in the process of installing tactiles half-way up MMW in the vicinity of the newish give-way markings.
Great, so everyone with a pram, buggy or suitcase will now cross to the cycle path to get past the tactiles...
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@cc possibly, although they may also boost the bicycle counter...
Posted 9 years ago # -
wrong ones gone in on MMW too
Posted 9 years ago # -
@ih, I spotted a new sign from the bus last night which seems to suggest that the shared use part of the path turns left as you head down hill and that cyclists are not allowed to go straight on. Given that straight on leads to a non shared use pavement that makes sense and I suspect has always been the case. However in this context would corrugated tactiles not indicate a flight of steps?
As far as I could see there still isn't anything installed on the shared use branch of the junction.
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Mark Treasure (@AsEasyAsRiding)
04/06/2015 22:48
@sallyhinch There is plenty of tactile paving - it's just not something you cycle over @LizzieReather @CyclingEdinhttp://pic.twitter.com/z6uywPRdMV
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David Arditti (@VoleOSpeed)
05/06/2015 01:59
@AsEasyAsRiding @sallyhinch @LizzieReather @CyclingEdin Yes that’s treating bikes as vehicles again, rather than crazy mixed-up semi-peds."
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KarlOnSea (@KarlOnSea)
05/06/2015 07:55
@AsEasyAsRiding @sallyhinch @LizzieReather @CyclingEdin because tactile is for pedestrians: it goes on the footway, not cycleway or road."
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This is at the NMW spur. Wrong kind of tactiles. All the other tactiles in that area are the flat topped kind.
No one seems able to explain to the people who put these things in that the round topped ones go on the pedestrian side, perpendicular to the direction of travel, and the flat topped ones go on the cycle side, parallel to the direction of travel. How difficult can it be?
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Almost. On shared use paths ALL the tactiles should be flat topped.
The round topped ones go at the top of stairs or similar.
Posted 9 years ago # -
If only Transport Scotland could commission an internationally recognised firm of transport consultants to draw up best practice guidance on accessible road and pavement design and construction. Something that clearly explains what tactile paving to use where. What? Oh...
Posted 9 years ago # -
"On shared use paths ALL the tactiles should be flat topped."
Oh. I didn't know that. For some reason I thought it was as I said in my previous post.
Oh well, it isn't my job to know this kind of stuff, anyway.Posted 9 years ago # -
Just 3 errors in the installation of these NMW spur tactiles. Is this a record?
1 the nearest tactile in the photo should be flat topped as mentioned by @srd
2 the tactiles on each side should be adjacent to each other not staggered
3 the recommended length of the tactlie pavement is 2400mm (although if this example is a 'repeater', 800mm will do)Has this section of path been widened? It used to be painted (give way triangles) for cycles only.
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I had an awful thought the other day. You know on the NEPN just west of South Trinity Road, where there are some plastic barriers and chalk marks? Is it getting tactilated?
Posted 9 years ago # -
Tactiles are crap for us, even the flat tops.
But they are not installed for our benefit.
There is a partially sighted guy who I occasionally see near Edinburgh Park station on the path with his guide dog.
I often wonder about asking him how he feels the tactiles work for him.
But I don't of course, as I think it might be a bit tactless (no pun intended).
However, I still wonder.......
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If only Transport Scotland could commission an internationally recognised firm of transport consultants to draw up best practice guidance on accessible road and pavement design and construction.
But that would take away from the sheer excitement of working it out for ourselves.
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11898&page=6#post-190291
Transport Scotland's document seems fairly straightforward to me.
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MMW on the pedestrian side, has corduroy (round topped) tactiles on the approach to the turn offs to George Sq. and the shopping precinct on the other side, whatever it's called.
Why? These tactiles are supposed to indicate some kind of hazard, steps usually. What is the hazard here? It's all pedestrian territory and there are no steps. I can imagine that a visually impaired person could be quite confused here by the inaccurate message.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Tactiles or "baby shaker-awakers" as we call them.
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ih, not quite what they're for in that instance. On a path such as that (and all through the Meadows they are replicated at places where there are turn offs at various points) they are to indicate to the visually impaired person which side is for pedestrians and which side is for bikes (hence the different directions for each). So a visually impaired person coming from George Square or the precinct will not inadvertently walk on the bike side. Which, I suppose, is warning of a hazard.
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Hi @Wilmington. Yep, I know that the flat topped stripey ones are to indicate which side of the path to walk, but then they're laid right across the path, in line on the bike side and perpendicular on the pedestrian side. In this case they're round topped stripey hazard ones. You can look in the Scottish Government installation guides for this stuff, and you won't find this configuration. It's daft, and only confuses.
There are no other tactiles on the whole length of MMW from Forest Road to Melville Drive, and frankly that's the way it should be. There are plenty of sighted people who just wander into the bike half and we avoid them so the occasional visually impaired person shouldn't present us with too big a challenge.
Posted 9 years ago # -
You can look in the Scottish Government installation guides for this stuff
Or you can refer to my analysis that I linked to in my previous post. :-)
Posted 9 years ago # -
Yes, the council knows they are wrong there (discussed on another thread).
Apparently there are no flat-topped tactiles available, which is why they have paused the installation.
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there are no flat-topped tactiles available...
Yep, they've
spentwasted so much money on them they've drunk the tactile pub dryPosted 9 years ago # -
A wild suggestion perhaps - but has the Council spoken to any visually impaired people to ask whether installing tactiles on paths in parks is a good idea.
I'm with ih on this one. If a visually impaired person comes across the new tactiles on MMW what are they meant to do? The tactiles indicate a pedestrian path going at right angles to the pedestrian path the person is already walking along. This makes no sense.
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