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steveo
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@iwrats, wondered how long it would take till someone suggested the pentlands! Closest thing resembling a hill is Corstorphine so I'll start there, when I can get up that without coughing up a lung I'll start worrying about bigger hills :)

I've encountered a fair few hill runners in the pentlands when I've been meandering with the camera the mountain goat descents fascinate and terrify me in equal measure!

Paddy, I suspect this particular race has been chosen more for its post event event than anything else.

Posted 8 years ago #
remberbuck
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Stevie, take a lot of care with your legs. Cycling contracts your calfs, the most efficient way of transferring energy from your quads to the pedals. Running on the other hand requires your calfs to be flexible. Running uphill will exaggerate this. Running downhill on the other hand forces your legs to bear a lot of weight, something cycling does not prepare you for. Usually comes out in the knees.

General view is that other than cardio cycling is not a good foundation for running in itself. It's why almost all triathletes come from running after all.

Good luck.

Posted 8 years ago #
I were right about that saddle
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@steveo

It took me three or four years of looking at the Pentlands from various city summits before I actually set out in the number four bus. Edinburgh has eight great running hills - enough for a lifetime, but they will make you Allermuircurious.

Your lungs are actually pretty well attached, and shouldn't come out during normal coughing.

Posted 8 years ago #
acsimpson
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On the north end of Corstorphine Hill there is a staircase which is a good test of climbing power. The trail starts at Queensferry Road and is quite gradual until you turn a corner and start going up. You could run circuits of it although it wouldn't get you used to real trails. For descents your probably better sticking to paths. There are some very nice varied surfaces there but for long climbs the Pentlands are the best option as IWRATS says.

Posted 8 years ago #
steveo
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@remberbuck good advice, in the last 18 months I've probably been running more than riding I only started cycing again in earnest in December after 12 months purely utility cycling so I'm hoping I don't have to spend too much time to convert my fitness back from cycling fit having just spent time getting bike fit. I am worried about my knees though.

I'll see how the road hills go for now.

Posted 8 years ago #
fimm
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steveo, in my experience, if you train both bike and run, you get both bike and run fitness.
I agree with remberbuck. Stretch and stretch some more. (I should follow my own advice!)

Posted 8 years ago #
wingpig
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I'd recommend something with a Vibram sole. Don't know if any running-specific footwears offer this, but there are plenty of sturdy trainers which do.
Back when I scuttled round hills with some regularity I often just wore my walking boots, back when walking boots had replaceable Vibram soles. The Hi-Tec "Trail" soft boot which you can't get any more wasn't as grippy but was a good mix of comfort and support. The only time I came close to nastily twisting my ankle was when I tried to scuttle round Arthur's Seat in my road-running shoes.

Posted 8 years ago #
redmist
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I would avoid steep hill training on tarmac if I were you, running downhill on a hard surface puts an awful strain on the knees. Off road would be better - Edinburgh has no shortage of hills ;-)

Posted 8 years ago #
remberbuck
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Steveo, if you want to guard your knees, concentrate on your glutes. A bit counter intuitive, but most knee problems come from weak glutes, and other parts such as the knees having to compensate. Which they ain't built for.

Not all hill races are the same. Some are on paths so you are able to maintain pace, and all you need can be obtained from road training. That was my last trail 10k, and I did that in road shoes.

Others are much less regular, and the challenge is more the break in terrain than the slope, as you are continually changing pace. And that is not easy.

The race website should let you know what type you're facing - most have discussion forums either on site or Facebook, and answer such questions pretty quickly.

You'll be fine.

Posted 8 years ago #
steveo
Member

Well that wasn't too bad, up passed torduff round Bonaly reservoir and back down by the scout camp.

Posted 8 years ago #
remberbuck
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Hi Steveo, sounds like it's all going well for you - legs OK today?

Did you try trail shoes out? I guess roads would work there this of year, but there's always that sharp stone ...

Posted 8 years ago #
steveo
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Legs are knackered! Had a quick half hour round the park which eased them off but they're seizing up again. I reckon an hour in the pentlands once a week will help with the strength and keeping up the road work for general endurance and ~~speed~~ not slow.

Yeah I got a pair of lightly lugged pair from decathlon for <£15 and they seem fine for now, plenty grip on the groomed trail not so much on grass, I might get better ones in the future. I doubt road ones would have been great on the rougher track and useless on the grassy bits.

Posted 8 years ago #
I were right about that saddle
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Posted 8 years ago #
Min
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Some amusing observations fro Dr Hutch on runners and injuries. So true! I am pleased to say that although I once got a bum injury* from being sold horrible shoes a few years ago, it never came back.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/comment/dr-hutch-why-cyclist-is-less-of-an-injury-bore-than-runner-282827

*I forget what the muscle was called now. It was that long ago.

Posted 8 years ago #
fimm
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Piriformis, I would guess...

Posted 8 years ago #
Min
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That was it! Top marks. :-)

Posted 8 years ago #
steveo
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Which is ironic, really, when you consider how it works in running.

After all, runners get running injuries from running. How embarrassing must that be?

LOL.

Posted 8 years ago #
steveo
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Well, three months, 51 hours and 470km later I finished in 1:11.19 with 148 people in front of me and 223 behind (more importantly a record suffer score of 201!). The first 20-30 minutes were all up hill and there were a few obstacles (stiles, gates etc) so ended up stopped waiting which was irritating especially as folk pushed passed only to be promptly dropped as soon as the gradient pitched up again.

To say it was wet would be an understatement, although the rain had stopped by the gun we spent most of our time running through streams, I nearly lost my trainers in a bog and to cap it off 500 metres before the end there was what would have been a small burn to hop over but was in fact up to my waist. Good fun all told.

Posted 8 years ago #
I were right about that saddle
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@steveo

Sounds like a proper fun run. Remind us where it was? It was high summer here in Scotchland yesterday.

Posted 8 years ago #
steveo
Member

Coniston, It was lovely yesterday chilling out by the lake with the morning coffee, nursing DOMS from the very pits off hell. They're worse today...

Posted 8 years ago #
fimm
Member

Well done steveo!
Fancy more of the same?
http://www.bordersxc.com/
;-)

Posted 8 years ago #
SRD
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Survived the great winter run. Only 1 minute slower than when I did the Morun 5k in 2015 on the same route, which, since i'I've been sick and unable to run for weeks isn't bad. Overtook people on the climb (I just kept a steadyish jog, and lots of folk stopped to walk), but got overtaken on the downhills.

Decent goodie bags too. As well as the power bars and gels, there was a pouch of the stuff you use to rewaterproof jackets, and a sachet of 'jointace' liniment, which make my legs feel amazing when I tried it. We have about 6 packets of joint ace pills in the cupboard from Pedal for Scotland - completely untouched, but the liniment is great.

Posted 7 years ago #
AIMC
Member

Well done SRD. The closest I got to running today was watching it on TV.

Posted 7 years ago #
SRD
Moderator

Thanks AIMC :)

Posted 7 years ago #
fimm
Member

Well done SRD!

Posted 7 years ago #
chdot
Admin

Not remotely the right thread, but still -

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/ex-olympian-david-wilkie-quits-local-pool-after-being-told-off-for-swimming-too-fast-1-4340601

Posted 7 years ago #
Frenchy
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"£190-a-month membership"

That's a typo, right?

Posted 7 years ago #
fimm
Member

There's a "Reluctant Swimmers Thread" ...
He was "accused of swimming too fast and not taking into account other pool users."
Pool rage is a thing (see any triathlon forum). There's an art to sharing a lane with other swimmers; I know I haven't always got it right.

Posted 7 years ago #
chdot
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"There's a "Reluctant Swimmers Thread" "

Ah thought so, searched for swimming!

Added -

http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15542&page=2&replies=33#post-241037

Posted 7 years ago #
steveo
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Anyone fancy this come June? Cyclist get free entry if they take their bike up to the start.

Race round the Kips, the middle third looks brutal but should be fun...

http://www.scottishhillracing.co.uk/RaceDetails.aspx?RaceID=RA-0318

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