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  1. chdot
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    "

    “The nation’s cycling infrastructure is in line for a real boost with a new Scottish Government competition designed to encourage more people to cycle for short journeys” Transport Minister Derek Mackay said in Edinburgh today (Thursday 12 November).

    The Minister was speaking to over 200 delegates at the Cycling Scotland conference in Edinburgh as he announced details of the new ‘Community Links Plus’ competition for the design and construction of exemplar, on-road, segregated cycle lanes.

    "

    http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/transport-minister-has-designs-continental-cycling-projects

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. PS
    Member

    competition for the design and construction of exemplar, on-road, segregated cycle lanes.

    Ah well, the north end of Leith Walk wouldn't have won any funding on that basis. Maybe they can apply to fund a redesign and get it right this time?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. dougal
    Member

    @PS Well 1 out of 3 ain't bad...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    Sounds great, where's the catch?

    Aha.

    "The amount of funding available from the Scottish Government will be subject to confirmation of final budgets for future years and the proposals received, with local authorities and their partners expected to at least match the Scottish Government’s investment."

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. paulmilne
    Member

    Transport design as a competition? It puts the responsibility on others to further the agenda instead of coming from the central transport authority as it should.

    Cycling is still seen as special one-off projects that require special one-off funding arrangements, and not as normal transport to be rolled out as a matter of course.

    I'd rather see action on an authoritative design document and a roadmap for rolling it out across the country on all urban and rural roads, and the funding commitment to do it as a fixed part of the transport budget. Until then, this government is simply not serious.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Catch or opportunity?

    I'm not overoptimistic about ScotGov's generosity, but IF lots of LAs put in good schemes, there will be pressure to budget for it.

    (Though of course the 50/50 funding is likely to be increasingly a problem for LAs.)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. Min
    Member

    exemplar

    Is this the new "quality"? :-o

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. PS
    Member

    exemplar

    There's nothing to stop the schemes being a bad example, I guess. Maybe the Foot of the Walk would in in with a shout after all.

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  9. chdot
    Admin

    I thought the exemplar idea came from Keith Brown 2 or 3 years ago..

    Obviously still waiting for one...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "It puts the responsibility on others to further the agenda instead of coming from the central transport authority as it should."

    Sadly true.

    It's all part the ScotGov game of 'freeing' LA's to decide on priorities (less "ring-fencing") and also being highly centralised and controlling (no Council Tax increases + BIG transport decisions - roads/bridges etc.)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. ih
    Member

    @PS although Leith Walk, north of Pilrig St, isn't perfect and segregated, I think it's pretty good and imo probably better than the way the segregated tracks are shaping up in the south section. The thing with segregation is that it has to be done very well, and I haven't seen that yet in Edinburgh in place or in the plans. Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer good segregated tracks but once averagely good (bad) segregation is in, the inertia not to improve further will be immense. Whereas, if good cycle lanes like lower Leith Walk were rolled out much more widely to form a genuine city network, cycling would continue to increase and the mindset would change amongst the decision makers and public, and further improvement to segregated tracks would just seem a natural progression.

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  12. PS
    Member

    @ih I'm all for good cyclelanes (segregated) being rolled out, I just think the north end of Leith Walk has been a wasted opportunity.

    For minimal (if any) additional cost to what is in there at the moment we could have had cyclelanes protected on the inside of parking bays and the prospect of being able to cycle the length of Leith Walk on a segregated facility, which would have been such a big win (and possibly even an exemplar).

    I'm all for the designers learning how to do these things, but I'd rather they did that through theoretical exercises and viewing best practice elsewhere rather than learning from their own actual tarmac-realised mistakes.

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  13. LaidBack
    Member

    Need to look at of course but I get a kind of Big Lottery feeling about it. Mind you some Millennium projects were good.

    Couldn't imagine roads or any other transport being handled in this way, though.

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  14. HankChief
    Member

    http://www.sustrans.org.uk/scotland/what-we-do/communities/grants-community-infrastructure

    "One or two final winners will be announced next year and will receive funding for delivery from 2016-17 to 2018-19.

    In the meantime, the following ten ground-breaking projects have been short-listed:

    City Centre to West Edinburgh Urban Cycling Corridor...
    "

    Quite surprised at how quick the shortlist was put together & not unexpected to see Roseburn- Leith on the list.

    Why can't we have them all though...

    If you don't get funding from this route, you'll have wait until 2019 to send your elected representatives to see the winning scheme and then wait for them to see the light <sigh>

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  15. Morningsider
    Member

    Hankchief - all these projects could be delivered for the cost of two or three miles of A9 dualling (average of £27.25m per mile).

    Alternatively, the Scottish Government could shelve its plan to halve air passenger duty and invest that £125m a year of income in active travel instead. Scotland could look like the Netherlands inside a decade - the only problem would be finding people to design and build the infrastructure quickly enough.

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  16. crowriver
    Member

    Aye, but why should the SNP care when they can tell their core voters they've improved the road they want to drive on, to get to that very marginally cheaper cheap flight they want to take for that wee holiday they promised themselves?

    The cyclists can go hang.

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-parliament-poll-snp-increases-lead-over-labour-1-3981382

    Still don't really understand why the SNP doesn't have better/more 'radical'/sensible policies on Health, Transport etc.

    Seems they could get away with almost anything without denting electoral popularity.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. PS
    Member

    They wouldn't want to lose that portion of the electorate who would prefer a car-based United Kingdom to a bicycle-favouring Scotland. Better to maintain that independent blank canvas upon which all voters can project their dreams.

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  19. chdot
    Admin

    Yeah but -

    There are LOTS of things that could be done to improve conditions for 'active travel' - for relatively little money - without disadvantaging driverists significantly.

    Not that driverists are 'the majority' (perhaps of voters - but even then driving/parking where they like is not 'No1 priority' for most).

    There are lots of under 17s and plenty too old or poor (or disinclined) to own cars.

    There is plenty of evidence that cycle infrastructure is better value for money and all fits with the SNP's (alleged) policies of Greener, Smarter, Wiser (or whatever it is this week).

    Main problem (presumably) is the blinkered circle of politicians (most parties) and officials who imagine 'you cannae no do that'.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    I find that poll disturbing, frankly.

    It seems to point to a political monoculture in Scotland, i.e. a vast majority of folk all wanting one party to dominate affairs.

    In the 1950s, the Unionist party held sway. Then, from the 1980s onwards Labour became the dominant political power in Scotland. Since 2011 it has been the SNP.

    Do we really have to wait another 15-20 years for their hegemony to crumble?

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  21. chdot
    Admin

    "Do we really have to wait another 15-20 years for their hegemony to crumble?"

    Who knows...

    Two (interrelated) possibilities -

    1) People really get disenchanted with the SNP. In the UK (Westminster) history this has usually been 'let's give the other lot a chance'.

    2) Another party becomes 'credible' and gets elected.

    In Scotland, not only is there an 'extra' party but the PR system was designed to reduce the chance of any single party getting an overall majority.

    Whatever the merits of the SNP they have 'broken' this by demonstrating a degree of competence. At the same time other parties (notably Labour - but also LibDems, for different reasons) have seriously fallen out of favour.

    And it's not even because 'most people' now want Independence.

    The biggest surprise (for me at least) in that poll is how well the Greens appear to be doing. In the past "second vote Green" appealed to many voters who would vote for a different party in the constituency vote.

    Next year I suspect many more will be inclined to vote for the same party twice.

    To overcome this the Greens will have to have a particularly good campaign - not easy when mainstream coverage is usually in proportion to the size of a party in Parliament(s).

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. "It seems to point to a political monoculture in Scotland, i.e. a vast majority of folk all wanting one party to dominate affairs."

    I don't see that. I do see the vast majority wanting a similar thing, but that is entirely different from " wanting one party to dominate affairs." In fact, I don't think many people at all want that. I certainly don't know and have never met nor hear of any.

    Until recently, its only really been a two horse race, so one party dominating is hardly a surprise. Given Thatcherism, it was no surprise at all that Labour dominated from the 80's onwards.

    The current pedestal the SNP are enjoying the view from if probably as much down to Labour's incompetence than the SNP's
    manifesto. In any event, this is only the end of their first ever term as as an all conquering party!

    If folk were describing the SNP's popularity as disappointing or surprising, or anything vaguely negative, I could probably see where they were coming from. When its described as "disturbing", well that surprises and disappoints me.

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  23. crowriver
    Member

    I say disturbing because the SNP's popularity goes way beyond what any other party has enjoyed in recent political history. No other party has ever dominated so completely.

    When folk were expressing worries about a "one party state" back in May that could be explained away as due to voters' anger at perceived betrayal over the referendum result and "The Vow". To see the SNP further entrench their dominance at Holyrood seems to smack of a similar emotional populism, rather than voters coolly calculating who would best govern Scotland. The SNP's record in government is not spectacular: they've got some things right, but most of that is a continuation of Lab/Lib policies pre-2007. As "we" see, on transport for example they have got a lot wrong. There is also a distinctly authoritarian streak to the SNP.

    We can deceive ourselves all we want that Scottish voters are more sophisticated, progressive, etc. I don't see that. Rather than hard headed rational voters looking at policies, I see a rather primitive, reactionary even, desire for "strong government" and a politics that is defined in opposition to Westminster: that's the SNP agenda through and through, hence their ideas have become hegemonic within Scottish society.

    "The biggest surprise (for me at least) in that poll is how well the Greens appear to be doing. In the past "second vote Green" appealed to many voters who would vote for a different party in the constituency vote."

    Which is great, but facing a hugely dominant governing party with an even more thumping majority, any opposition parties will really struggle to make any impact or put the brakes on the SNP juggernaut. I cannot imagine this will be good for Scottish democracy. Yes, I find it disturbing because without a properly functioning check on executive power, in a unicameral parliament the SNP will be able to ride roughshod over the objections of other parties, NGOs, local government, indeed anyone who disagrees with the party line.

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  24. Stickman
    Member

    "...indeed anyone who disagrees with the party line."

    Is it true that SNP MPs/MSPs sign up to an agreement not to criticise the party, its policies or other SNP members in public?

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  25. chdot
    Admin

    "the SNP will be able to ride roughshod over the objections of other parties, NGOs, local government, indeed anyone who disagrees with the party line"

    Perhaps, but given the electoral system that's - more or less - the view of the majority that bothers to vote.

    So the voters are wrong...

    To a large extent the Government at Holyrood (irrespective of party) is constrained by Westminster.

    It's possible that could change after the EU vote.

    I think it's a shame that JS didn't put up Income Tax as a matter of principle/difference, unlikely to have turned off many voters, and would have given him a small amount of cash to do something different/interesting with.

    But sometimes the SNP seems to lack
    imagination/boldness...

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  26. PS
    Member

    So the voters are wrong...

    That's pretty much the one reliable constant in modern western democracies. ;-)

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  27. chdot
    Admin

    "That's pretty much the one reliable constant in modern western democracies. ;-)"

    Seems so!

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  28. crowriver
    Member

    "Is it true that SNP MPs/MSPs sign up to an agreement not to criticise the party, its policies or other SNP members in public?"

    I have no idea if that is literally true, but they may as well have, given the very strict discipline that seems to exist. Zero tolerance of dissent from the party leadership...

    I can see how that is useful in winning elections. As a party with a big majority, such rigidity is not healthy for democratic debate, nor scrutiny of legislation.

    "Perhaps, but given the electoral system that's - more or less - the view of the majority that bothers to vote."

    Is it really? I daresay many haven't even considered such concerns. They simply hear populist rhetoric they like the sound of. Also a bit of a cult of personality around Nicola Sturgeon methinks.

    Some have compared the SNP's rise to Latin American populist movements such as Peronism...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. Again, I don't know nor have I met anyone who actualy believes or is "worried" we are or becoming a one party state. The truth is we are not one and no where near becoming one!

    The vast majority of comment about a one party state I see is from lazy journalists repeating the crass lies of the odd unionist politician. And of course, journalists who like to make things up of their own accord.

    Thankfully, the general public (at least in scotland) don't seem to be stupid enough to fall for it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    So you have no concerns at all that the SNP are becoming an overwhelmingly dominant political force in Scotland? No anxieties over the relative lack of debate of the SNP's track record in government, policies for Holyrood, relationships with business interests?

    I really do worry that in the desire of many Scots to send an oppositional message to the Tories in London, we are ignoring the numerous flaws of the SNP as a party of government.

    The retort that there is no credible or competent alternative to SNP rule is so similar to the logic of those who voted the Tories into majority rule at Westminster it is, as I said before, disturbing, as much for its complacency as anything.

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