Read an article from Cambridge (can't find it right now) that the drop in peak traffic during school holidays is only in the region of 20%. However as a road approaches it's absolute capacity vehicle queue times increase in a more logarithmic than linear fashion so a 20% reduction lets the roads 'flow' much, much freer.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Did someone post this already? Me maybe?
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Dear Community Council,
I wrote to you back in March asking if you would help me seek support from citizens in Edinburgh against the Council’s plan to build a protected cycle track from Roseburn to Leith along George Street. We’re worried about its likely impact on congestion and trade.
I am a community councillor, a cyclist and I support cycle tracks in the right places. However, the cost of the scheme has risen to £6.5M and we in the Roseburn Vision Group feel the money would be better spent improving the current cycle lanes we have, fixing the existing black spots for cyclists in the city, as well as the potholes that make the roads so unpleasant to travel on for everyone.
We wanted to alert you to a survey we are doing about the protected cycle track; if any of your Council members work or may travel in its vicinity, they’ll be affected and their views matter.
The cycling officers have told Councillors that the scheme is needed to get people into bikes. They say that the reason folk don't bike is because cyclists need their own dedicated space in order to feel safe. That may be true, but will it actually lead to people choosing to cycle?
In the past, Council policy was to utilise off-road paths and low-traffic streets to promote cycling but it now favours protected cycle tracks on main roads. However, evidence from around the UK suggest that such schemes are not leading to predicted increases in cycling. A recent Scotsman report said Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Dundee have built numerous cycle routes - both on and off road - over the past 20 years, but the numbers using them on a daily basis remain stubbornly low. Scottish councils recently overturned officers recommendations on cycle tracks, one even ripping out one they'd already built.
Despite this, consultants have predicted an increase of approximately 90% in cycle use in the corridor served by the proposed West to East link, amounting to a 16% increase in overall cycle use in the city if it was delivered. On this basis, the Councillors are minded to proceed.
Are these estimates realistic and what are the reasons people don’t cycle ? The Roseburn Vision group, comprising residents and businesses in the Roseburn/Haymarket area, are asking for your views on cycling as a mode of transport. Council Leader Andrew Burns and Transport Convener Lesley Hinds have said they’ll study our results, so we need to get as many people as possible to respond. The Council will be making its final decision around Xmas.
This survey will take 2 minutes to complete and is aimed at all those, young and old, who don't cycle to work or study or shop at present. Even if you’ll never get onto two wheels, the Councillors need to hear that.
PLEASE HELP US BY COMPLETING THIS SURVEY ON LINE AT http://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/whybike
Thanks,
Pete Gregson
The Roseburn Vision
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I've asked Pete Gregson a couple of times why this 'cycle survey' has no options to suggest anything to do with cycling in his main question about cutting congestion.
Unsurprisingly I've had no response
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The survey is an attempt to prove that a few local NIMBYs know better than the received wisdom of several other countries (Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Spain, even parts of USA, etc.)
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why this 'cycle survey' has no options to suggest anything to do with cycling in his main question
It actually does, buried in a pile of word rubble at the end of option 7.
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Council Leader Andrew Burns and Transport Convener Lesley Hinds have said they’ll study our results
Dear Mr Gregson
We note your survey and will be sure to give it the consideration and attention that it deserves.
Yours etc...
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There's a consultation on cycling/walking in Roseburn park.
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-roseburn-park/Posted 7 years ago # -
As a Murrayfield local who is currently able to answer that I don't cycle to work or into town, I have completed the survey advocating the introduction of segregated cycle paths such as I could take a small child / trailer on. He'll probably disregard it because I didn't select options for my 4th, 5th, 6th etc preferences about there being too much weather or hills,
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I repeat crowriver's message up-thread:
"I filled in his survey"
Please, people, don't legitimise PG Tips' misinformation campaign by taking part in his "survey"...
You already know whatever you say will be ignored, and your participation will only be counted as a number in the "throng" backing his devious campaign!
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15760&page=107#post-235627
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Murrayfield Community Council meeting next Tuesday (29th). No doubt the "survey" will be brought up. I'm going along for the laughs.
I may ask PG why he believes that cycle lanes can work in London but not in Edinburgh, yet he uses the London congestion charge to advance his case for a congestion charge in Edinburgh.
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Carlton Reid (@carltonreid)
21/11/2016, 14:53
1970s Dutch retailers feared losses from a new cycleway so dug it up! http://Bikeboom.info Loved it later.http://pic.twitter.com/LxYOpDJXXP
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"@Lahinds
Positive meeting last night discussing West -East cycle link Great work by officers making changes to reflect previous workshop meetings"
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I just had a peek at the survey - PG has changed this significantly as it had nothing about cycling in it before.
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@wishicouldgo - So when he proffers his bogus "results" which survey were people signing up to?
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So let's summarise:
- PG creates a petition which is more than a little misleading, claims massive opposition to bike lane from local residents
- Survey closes ahead of Transport Committee
- PG claims that HankChief's petition is organised by Spokes and has been filled in Spokes members and "Lycra-clad Yankees"
- PG reopens his petition
- PG shown to encourage fraudulent use of zip codes in order to let non-US residents complete another petition
- PG creates the Roseburn Vision after this petition; claims those supporting the petition support the Vision
- PG ridicules the Bike Life survey as having been filled out by Spokes members (although the survey methodology shows that respondents were chosen at random and designed in order to be representative)
- PG creates his own "survey" and encourages all those who are against the bike lane to fill it in; claims it will be representative
- PG says that any responses positive to the bike lane are from Spokes members and should be disregarded
- PG changes his survey while it is still openHave I missed anything?
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GOSIA CYGANOWSA (@Gosia0801)
25/11/2016, 17:22
Cycle Superhighway's literally save life's @space4cycling @MayorofLondon @TheLTDA @Ldn_Ambulancehttp://pic.twitter.com/9L5MXZIfar
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Perhaps the politics should be to campaign for "emergency vehicle ways" that are also open to cyclists☺
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Apparently
Sustrans has written to CEC expressing concerns about 'option B'.
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Walk, Cycle, Vote (@walkcyclevote)
26/11/2016, 11:41
Roseburn link work might actually be extended and improved because of the knock back #space4cycling"
Apparently CEC looking at whole route to Edinburgh Park.
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"Apparently CEC looking at whole route to Edinburgh Park."
Interesting!
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The culprit was eventually found and arrested – a man who owned a shoe shop in the Belgian city’s medieval centre. His motive? Beke’s plans to pedestrianise the area around his shop.
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There were protests outside Ghent’s city hall: businesses were afraid they’d lose their customers, elderly residents were concerned about being cut off from their children. But Beke stood his ground, and although a few businesses that relied on car access had to move, today the city centre is thriving.
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That’s not to say the project – due to commence in April 2017 – is progressing without a hitch. As well as the car-free area, Ghent’s new mobility plan includes dividing the city into six sections, each of which can only be entered via a ring road, to reduce through-traffic. In 2015, 40% of journeys in Ghent were made by car, down from 48% in 2012. By 2030, Termont wants to see that drop to 27%.
“Before you do such things you have to work months and months and even years to explain it, to prepare people,” he says.
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http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17205
Ah, leadership, planning, etc...
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I love it - a guy who owns a shoe shop that is against pedestrianisation!
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Must be the sort of shoes for other people to look at, not for walking.
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Ghent is a lovely city & there are a trillion bicycles by the railway station. & great beer (of course). Nicer than Bruges.
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A visualisation of what Roseburn could be like seems missing. I based it on the updated plans.
Its still incomplete, need people in cars, bikes and shoes, and a few more details. Any other thoughts on what could go in this picture?
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That's brilliant! Copy to every local business with a cycle survey sign in the window (they still seem to think that there won't be any loading on the north side, for example, or that there will only be one lane eastbound at the junction.
Don't make it too busy and detract from the message :)
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@i:
That's excellent. Someone was discussing doing this at the Walk Cycle Vote event on Saturday - was it you? I've shared this on twitter: do you have an account I can credit it to?
The council should have been doing this sort of visualisation from the outset, rather than relying on technical plans. There were full graphic ones done for the CL+ bid, but I think that was too late.
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