Long queues tonight because of the roadworks. Expect them to be used as another reason not to go ahead with the bike lane.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Long queues tonight because of the
roadworksspace inefficient single occupancy cars.FTFY
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Urban congestion is a serious problem, with only one realistic long-term solution – more efficient use of existing road space in our towns and cities
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Here is a questionnaire
1. Should other people be made to pay extra for taking single occupancy vehicles onto the roads?
Answers - broadly yes
2. Should you pay to take your single occupancy vehicle onto the roads?
Answers - broadly no
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Queue from Roseburn back to Western Corner this morning, and from Haymarket along West Coates. As HankChief said, almost entirely single occupant vehicles. Most of the remainder were on the school run.
Interesting that it looked like Russell Road was backed up but no queue on Roseburn Street, suggesting the council have their design correct by changing priorities there.
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"suggesting the council have their design correct by changing priorities there"
You mean they are actually trying 'prototyping' or is there some coincidental result of roadworks?
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Think it's just a coincidence.
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Traffic problems in Roseburn and Gorgie
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Police and ambulance crews are on the scene at an incident at Robertson Avenue while there are reports of a broken down bus causing congestion in Roseburn Terrace.
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@Stickman - traffic hardly ever queues on Roseburn Street, & often does on Russell Road. Russell Road should have the priority.
Stopped traffic on Russell Road gave one driver chance to refresh her make-up (something you can't do on a bicycle).
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"something you can't do on a bicycle"
Some have mirrors...
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@chdot - I do have a mirror. I also like to keep both hands on the handlebars even when stopped. Most I'll do is wipe my nose.
However I'll put some lipstick in the top pocket of my high-viz jacket sometime & have a go..
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Does anyone know the length of the current loading bays on both sides of the road?
I'm sure that this is available somewhere on this thread but I can't find it immediately.
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@Stickman
This doc https://roseburncycleroute.albanyweb.co.uk/updated-designs I picked up from the Roseburn Cycle Group site says: North side, 40 metres of 24hr loading; South side, 50 metres off peak loading and 10 metres off peak parking.
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ih: yes, it's the figure on that document that is being challenged...
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Oh, sorry. Can you reveal the details of the challenge?
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I presume it's a CEC figure that's being challenged?
Details are of course important, but if it's a quibble over half a parking space, I'd ignore it!
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@ih - see the last few posts on @pidginposting twitter feed
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Best I could find was this map: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20085/parking_spaces/507/parking_bay_locations
Doesn't have a scale (and may not be accurate), but the length of the south and north loading bays is 1.33, which isn't far off the 50m/40m lengths in the diagram.
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I'll stop on my way home and get the proper start/end points on both sides so we can get a definitive answer.
As the Roseburn Cycle Group website says "Our site is evidence-based, including the disadvantages. We are ready to engage in discussion with anyone. Tell us about errors or omissions and we'll fix them as soon as we can"
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That's a really reaching claim from the twitterer. Google satellite image shows the whole terrace from pub to pub to be about 80m. Take off the no stopping bits at the junctions and the crossing and I'll bet the 60m available on the south side is accurate. Should be easy enough to get a good first order accuracy by pacing it out.
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Took a stab at measuring it with Google Maps. I got 55m, at most. Difficult to see the loading bays on the satellite view, but you can see on Street View where they start and end, and line these points up with the lines in the middle of the road, which you *can* see on the satellite view. Got 39m for the north side.
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ih: -also interesting that one of the traffic chaos photos she used has a car blocking the lane outside the Roseburn Cafe. Loading?
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@stickman - many of us attempted polite discourse with the twitter objector on the Roseburn ride - she wasn't wholly unreasonable I seem to recall. Good handling of the exchange on twitter....
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Ok, it's ridiculous we're having to do this but I stopped on the way home. Here is the position with the road markings:
South side (coming from city centre):
- double red lines extend from the junction and stop level with the door of the Scotbet bookies
- single red line extends from there to the start of the marked loading bay at ArtEtFacts
- loading bay stops/parking bay begins at the door of ScotMid
- parking bay stops/crossing zigzag begins at door of eatnJoyNorth side (heading to city centre)
- double red line ends just east of Roseburn Cliff
- single red line until the start of the loading bay beside the barber
- loading bay ends/double red line begins between Cafe Vigo/3D CakesThis should be enough detail for someone to check measurements on Google Maps or similar?
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In other news, the roadworks were cleared this evening and traffic chaos was gone.
Normal service was resumed as the road was reduced to one lane each way by illegally stopped vehicles.
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Ok, it's ridiculous we're having to do this
Is somebody casting doubt on the actual physical world on which we walk?
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Some of the MCC members strike me as "metric martyr" types. Probably an error by them in converting from furlongs and chains to metres.
And @kaputnik has checked his measurements based on the above and they are spot on. The diagram on the Cycle Group website is accurate.
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What's the exact differences between double red lines, single red lines and the loading bays? This could be the source of confusion.
EDIT: The stretch of single red line is ~8 m long.
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@Frenchy You might be on to something where they think a single red line allows parking/loading. It doesn't. I would need to check carefully the exact meaning.
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"3.15 Single red lines indicate that no stopping or loading is permitted during the restricted hours, 7.30am until 6.30pm Monday to Friday and 8.30am until 5.30pm on Saturday, displayed on the associated Greenway entry time plate.
3.16 Double red lines indicate that no stopping or loading is permitted at any time as indicated by the associated time plate.
3.17 PAs will issue an instant PCN to any vehicle incorrectly parked at a red line during the hours of restriction."This is an interesting read:
(Found by Googling "single red line Edinburgh"!
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