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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Fan dabby double dozy
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A plea to Roseburn traders - now the decision is made it's time to bury the hatchet. Cyclists are great customers - we spend more and shop more often than drivers. Get to know what we like and how to attract us in and you won't regret it. Given that you will soon have hundreds of cyclists cruising past each day this would seem to be good business sense.
The improved pedestrian environment should also help attract more customers on foot - truly this is win-win.
You know what isn't good business sense? Continuing to denigrate cyclists and pedestrians - every one a potential customer. Help make Roseburn a destination, rather than somewhere the majority of people simply pass through. Support the scheme - work to make it a success and everyone will be happy.
Well, that's not quite true, is it. One person might not be happy. However, PG has nothing on the line here, no business to maintain or jobs to support. Please, now is the time to cut him loose. Continuing to associate with his lies and distortions can only damage the reputation of your business.
Want to know why PG is wrong about the effect of segregated bike lanes - here is a good place to start:
Want to know what the people of Edinburgh really think about investment in cycling, then take a look at this:
http://www.sustrans.org.uk/sites/default/files/bike_life_edinburgh_2015.pdf
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@morningsider - bravo. Would be nice to see that published somewhere (as well as here)...
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I wasn't aware that the Tesco's junction was having a complete set of pedestrian crossing installed. Should mean more people living in south Roseburn being able to access the shops on the north side.
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Fantastic result!
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algo - there are other places!? I'll leave that to the forum's more forward types - happy for anyone to claim it as their own.
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Congratulations to all involved - truly a moment to celebrate and a turning point for the city. I'd like to particularly commend those who tirelessly fought against the anti-cycling tropes, lies and lazy thinking being spread in public fora such as comments sections on newspaper articles. The visibility of intelligent alternative arguments to the car-as-natural-order-of-things is an important way of reaching out beyond our
bubblechoirforum.Posted 7 years ago # -
Very heartened to hear this news, specifically the all party support which may mean if the segregation gets built it is not then ripped out. I particularly apologise to hankchief for depressing him this morning. I must conclude my local councillor on the transport committee who was an option b advocate for sure had some readjustment done upon him.
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"specifically the all party support"
Indeed.
No party can now have 'rip up cycle routes' in their manifesto next year.
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"I must conclude my local councillor on the transport committee who was an option b advocate for sure had some readjustment done upon him"
Wouldn't count on it.
Are they standing for reelection?
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Where does this come from?
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@chdot Not me. I like how the pavement and bike path seamlessly goes over the side road. Where did you get it from?
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I must conclude my local councillor on the transport committee who was an option b advocate for sure had some readjustment done upon him.
Not necessarily (although possible, of course).Wasn't before Transport committee, as I understand it. Decision was made by Director of Place, Paul Lawrence, with the Transport Spokespersons of each party giving a recommendation for Option A. Whilst your councillor is on the Committee, I don't think he's one of the spokespeople.
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@frenchy yes very true. However, he was right the last time and gave me big steer it was going to be B so I am glad his party moved to a consensus on what is a modern and radical platform
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Spokes article
and tweet1
and tweet2Interesting thoughts above from @morningsider. Ties in well with our 3rd "What you can do" bullet point! So there's what 'they' can do and what 'we' can do.
The more cycling & walking custom they get (even if some traders are grumpy about it at first) the better for the next stages, especially the traffic regulation orders and the undoubted hassles of the construction period. My feeling is it's not that useful to keep giving the traders evidence from elsewhere, which they are probably now totally fed up with and cynical about, but ideally to give them a bit of custom and publicity. Is this misguided?! As a start, it's interesting that Murrayfield CC has RT'd one of our tweets above.
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"My feeling is it's not that useful to keep giving the traders evidence from elsewhere, which they are probably now totally fed up with and cynical about, but ideally to give them a bit of custom and publicity. Is this misguided?"
Now there's a question.
I'm not at all clear if there is any unified "traders'" view beyond 'cycle track = lost business'.
In some ways it's to their credit that they exist on a particularly unpleasant bit of busy road. I don't suppose any of them are doing exceptional well and any disruption - even just the construction phase - could cause one or more to go out of business.
BUT simple facts include -
Quite a few businesses have closed on that street in recent years (inc 2 banks).
Several opened.
Most small retailers are having a hard time, for many reasons - not least the Internet.
It really is quite a small block of shops without the scope for a scale of diversity like Leith Walk or Easter Road or Hamilton Place or Morningside Road. The last two have a high proportion of charity shops - once seen as a sign of 'retail decline', now viewed as 'clusters' or 'destinations'. Things change.
It's unlikely that Roseburn could develop a 'tourist economy' in the way the High Street and The Grassmarket have. I also doubt that CEC now has the resources (staff or cash) that it once had for "economic development". Apart from the pubs I wonder if any of the businesses try to benefit from the hordes who periodically descend on Murrayfield Stadium. (Or have web sites that say "6 minutes walk from the Murrayfield tram stop.)
I think more people should visit Roseburn to see what's on offer, and I hope that if they look like 'cyclists' or say "I came by bike" they will get a warm welcome. But then I hope PG will find a new 'cause'.
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The celebrations have begun -
https://twitter.com/foysolchoudhury/status/809876976169197568
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(Not about Roseburn.)
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He said: “People in Edinburgh don’t like change. They are initially suspicious and sometimes negative but most of my neighbours have been in and like it."
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Spokes holds a hustings for the local elections so candidates can be pressed about cycling policy. They are usually harangued about lack of cycling vision, disconnected infrastructure and other topics dear to the cycling community.
However it would be useful to attend a hustings where the audience are not pro cycling. I expect the Murrayfield CC hustings is going to be a lively affair.
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@chdot - That featured in a television programme about houses up for architectural awards recently. Ingenious inspiring house & yes, the neighbours had come round to it.
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@chdot - re Roseburn shops. Yes - I was in Morningside wondering why is it so lively and pleasant though it's on a busy through road. Of course it is a much longer stretch of shops and also more accessible from side streets. On the northern Murrayfield side you have to climb up & down quite steep hills to go to the shops.
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This is a lot more than a cycle route – it brings plenty of benefits for pedestrians too, in terms of safer junctions, wider pavements and more road crossings.
At an early stage of the consultation we were concerned with aspects of the design which would have caused conflict between cyclists and pedestrians, but we’ve been impressed by the way the Council took on board our constructive suggestions.
A key point is that the pavements will now be widened on both the north and south sides of the busy stretch of Roseburn Terrace, and they will both meet the minimum width standards stipulated in the Council’s own Street Design Guidance.
That will help to make Roseburn Terrace a more people-friendly place, less dominated by road vehicles.
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In answer to my previous question-
It's a CEC image.
https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/809783803396968448
I wonder if there are any different ones?
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Back when this first started I took at look at Bruntsfield to see what lessons could be applied to Roseburn as I do consider it a much nicer area. I honestly found very few. The main difference is, away from junctions, the Bruntsfield>Morningside corridor has never purported to have more than one lane of moving vehicles each way. There's very little in the way of aid to help the less mobile move between opposite sides of the street and an overall road space usually as wide as Roseburn Terr.
I'd argue now that much of Morningside and Bruntsfield's niceness actually comes down to the fact that they have much more south (sun) friendly aspects
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@Klaxon - true enough. The setting is pleasant, with the Water of Leith and attractive buildings but you are in a sunless dip.
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Congratulations to all involved - a wonderful achievement!
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Way up thread the award winning house off broughton street has a video I saw online of the architect going through the nooks and crannies opening the windows which is a lovely palaver.
Morningside has south facing aspect for sure but it has reinvented itself as a funkier destination. Bruntsfield has always been funky. I hope with the cycle route that roseburn up to Haymarket can become the same sort of destination, it has a large gap of course for housing and donaldsons college but a bike would scoot twixt the two. Comiston or south morningside also going funky without so much sun and that is where Henderson's wines has gone after leaving roseburn.
Going the other way from roseburn out to corstorphine also gaps for houses but could be funky all the way to maybury, I mean on a bike as the gaps mean walking not so doable as bruntsfield to comiston.
I would hope businesses like picture framers can survive as they are at least a little resistant to Internet. People too need to stop using the Internet so much? Support local shops more. Long time since I have been on wiggle for example, maybe five years.
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@gembo - if it's still around do watch Grand Designs: House of the Year which was on Channel 4. The house was great, especially the wall that opened like a window.
The article linked to above - lot of moany-faces commenting on the house. Miserable gits.
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