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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Posted 8 years ago #
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I've been meaning to pop into that sewing machine shop to see if I can find a replacement pedal for my wife's overlocker. I shall have to attempt to do so after having obviously arrived by bicycle, perhaps unnecessarily bringing the device itself (rather than just a note of its model number) just to make the point.
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I'd hazard a guess that people walking in locally, or off the WoL path, are making a pretty good contribution to the coffers of the Roseburn cafes.
Along at Haymarket I imagine that the business lunchtime traffic from the nearby offices and also people passing through to/from the station are big spenders too.
Drummond Wools already has double reds outside it, and the nearly the entire row opposite a taxi rank, yet they've still not gone under due to the lack of parking directly outside the front door. Supermarkets have proved that people are willing to walk the 25,50 or 100m from their cars to the front door and then 000's of metres traipsing round the aisles. Perhaps shop and cafe customers are willing to walk the 10 or 15m to cross the road.
I was only a teenager when they first put in the greenways, does anyone have any recollection of the similar kneejerkery from grumpy local business owners and the chipwrapper predicting imminent doom?
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First comment
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"more than 1000 signatures"? The petition has 115 signatures at the moment. A rival petition "Support the Roseburn-West Coates protected route" has many more signatures (298 at the moment, see http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/support-roseburn-west-coates-protected-cycle-route). There is a lot of support for the plans which will also benefit all the coffee shop owners, as it attracts more people to the area.
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According to streetview May 2015, the eastbound bus lane doesn't actually continue in front of the shops at all. It stops just short by the bank:
https://goo.gl/maps/GBr7MN9r33t
There is no westbound bus lane. So opposite the shops is only loading bays. I'm not sure of the hours, but from my experience both sides of the loading bays are parked up at all times - meaning that the road is always effectively 2 lanes.
On the north side (the Roseburn Cafe side and the side which will lose its loading bays), there is only loading for around 4 cars.
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If that's a mass protest, what does that make POP? Looking forward to the EEN's wholehearted support
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Glad to see that this mass protest has the essential element of a slightly embarrassed looking dog.
Would also be interesting to see how many would have turned up to this "mass protest" if it hadn't been held on their own doorstep. By their own logic they wouldn't have driven to it unless there was parking right next to it.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@eddie_h
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A survey of the Roseburn Cafe seems in order to see how many customers actually park their van/car in the proposed loss of loading bays.
In the morning 7-30am to 8-30am and lunch hour 12-00 till 1pm would probably be best.
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Isn't it illegal to park during that first hour?!
Worth surveying.
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"but from my experience both sides of the loading bays are parked up at all times"
I would say that the north, eastbound side, is usually free of cars during the restricted times, particularly in the evening. Although it's not unheard of to see someone stopped at the cash machine etc.
On the south side there is only one lane feeding in from the Roseburn St junction so one traffic lane works reasonably well.
There's nothing to really indicate that there is more than one lane on the south side.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Shall we relocate this month's PY to the Roseburn cafe?
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opens at 8
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Very limited seating in Vigo I seem to recall. Outdoor seating might work, if only the passing buses and cars were another couple of metres away...
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Seem to be 8 seats in photo
Anyone normally go by between 8 and 9?
Could you notice if it's a takeaway queue or seated patrons?
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Roseburn cafe too.
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Latest EN comment
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Big Team 1874 returns
Crazy. Folk moaning that bikes are on the road. Now moaning they should be on the road. Make yer mind up pls. You either want them beside you and treat them with respect or you don't.Cyclist should pay for it whilst electric cars pay nothing for the roads. No consistency in the arguments at all.
One thing is consistent tho, Cllr Hinds coming out and being shocked that people do not agree with her ideas. The reason you are continually surprised Cllr is because you continue to listen to your own voices and not serve the people you agreed to serve.
Its time we all worked together instead of being so self centred
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EN comment
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heyheyhey
Experience from around the world shows that installing bike lanes increases local businesses takings: http://www.citylab.com/cityfixer/2015/03/the-complete-business-case-for-converting-street-parking-into-bike-lanes/387595/"
Posted 8 years ago # -
EN Comment piece:
"It is entirely possible that these plans will succeed in making the Capital far more cycle-friendly but at the cost of bringing the rest of the traffic to a standstill. The jury is very much out."
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Council chap at the thing on Monday was wistfully saying that they had tried to engage with local businesses, community councils etc a year ago before the draft plans were drawn up, to avoid some of the outrage that they're now displaying.
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Are these idiots (sorry business owners) really saying that losing a few spaces which people can barely park in at the moment will kill their business?
I am sure the café chap said his business will drop by 65% !!
Must be different from round my way where I would be confident that the (enormous number of) cafes of Marchmont get almost all of their business from local people and barely any from passing trade.
Bizarre
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I think what they might succeed in doing is to get the cyclepath routed round the back of Roseburn terrace, on Roseburn Place. It wouldn't be disastrous for cycling (less good probably), but it would probably remove more parking locally, and make the Roseburn St/Russell Road/Roseburn Terrace junction more clogged up.
It would also route all the cyclists away from the shops. I think they might regret that one day.Posted 8 years ago # -
When my wife learned to ride her bike it was a really big moment for her when she was able to cycle all the way along the Balgreen Path and through Roseburn Park to get some shopping at Roseburn Tesco. Over the summer it became part of our routine to cycle along there after work and pick up some supplies or a bottle of wine (usually a bottle of wine). She isn't confident enough to ride amongst traffic so we walked along the bits without a cycle path.
A safe segregated cycle path would transform how far she would be prepared to go on her bike.
And at the risk of sounding ungallant, my wife isn't exceptional (well she is, but you know what I mean) - I'm sure there are lots of people like her who would cycle if they could safely.
(I know she reads this forum so I'll have some explaining to do when I get home)
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"I think what they might succeed in doing is to get the cyclepath routed round the back of Roseburn terrace, on Roseburn Place. "
Sounds plausible. What would be the effect on cyclists coming from the south of this change?
Oh and I'm amazed by how much of a stink has been kicked up about all this. A pity that Mr Gregson is spreading disinformation, and getting folk worried as a result. Clearly he has nothing better to do these days than stoke up a tammy with the council...
Sigh.
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"However, once it is done, given how much cyclists love cafe's I should have thought there would be plenty of new custom once the work is complete?"
I'm not so sure.
This is part of my commute, the proposals would much improve things for me.
I have never once had the inclination to stop on RT thus far, and I don't expect that to change. I want to get to work/home directly, not stop for a cuppa. Granted, that's just me. I suspect most current users of the route are commuters and would feel similarly. The big unknown is would it attract locals/others?
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@Kaputnik, there was a doom and gloom stushie before Greenways appeared, but once people realised how bus speeds improved that soon disappeared apart from a few diehard "clarksons".
@BE, I would agree don't think it is a stopping for coffee zone, however think widening the pavements a little and losing the outer lane each way and changing to a cycle lane would make it more pleasant. but biggest issue is the junction that needs addressed at the moment it is not friendly to any user.
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I can echo what Stickman above says! Its a similar case with my girlfriend - we live in Coltbridge - just around the corner from Roseburn. Finally got her out on a bike last year. She has had a few panicked moments when we tried to cycle short stretches along the main road. The new proposals would open up more of Edinburgh to her on the bike - currently she limits herself to the NEPN - she has indicated she would be happier to head for town with the new proposed provisions!
One of the arguments that I have not seen mentioned here yet, but I did overhear at the consultation was from a local business owner-he highlighted an event that takes place twice a year that is cycling related (Pedal for Scotland maybe?) - on those days he has figures which indicate a dramatic drop in business for him. This seems to be the basis for his opposition - not sure how valid/relevant the argument is.. what do you think?
In Roseburn I do see a lot of movement on the outward bound lane's parking spaces during the day- therefore I would not be surprised if the argument about business and car parking spaces holds true..
It was good to see some CCEers at the primary school the other night. I had a brief chat with a few (at least Chris - maybe more?)- I was in pre-dinner space cadet mode after a long cycle home from work so might not have been the most tuned in at the time.
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PfS takes place once a year and I could believe that it results in a drop in custom.
Then again, I remember when pubs and shops in parts of Glasgow would shut when an Old Firm game was on.
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"I remember when pubs and shops in parts of Glasgow would shut when an Old Firm game was on."
This still happens on Easter Road.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Shops close in Roseburn as well for the Old Firm game. A menace of green and white hangs around...
A bloke was beaten up by Celtics in Roseburn Bar.
I don't think they close during the rugby games. The fish and chip shop makes a mint, as does the pub.
I think he must be referring to the Pedal for Scotland. It happens once a year. Lots of events happen at Murrayfield, and you get disruption.
As for stopping for a coffee or drink - depends what you're doing. I wouldn't stop as I'm nearly home but if I was returning from a West Lothian ride and still had a few miles to go I might stop at the pub or cafe.
One reason for supporting the Roseburn to Canal link is that it's a walking route from WoL to the canal, and walkers would emerge on Roseburn Terrace ready for a drink.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Just another post
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Have said it many times - Vote this shower out before they enforce all these loony schemes. This is Edinburgh historical old and beautiful city built on seven hills so who wants to be forced to ride a bike to get around when the car is totally banned by the current council. Scotland climate is not ideal either unless you want to life your life in waterproofs so you don't end up at work soaking and also frozen.
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Posted 8 years ago # -
I keep seeing the "4 lanes down to 2" claim being made, and it's repeated again in the EEN.
When I spoke to the council guys at the first consultation they gave me the impression that it will actually be down to 3 lanes although the southernmost one will end up as parking in practice.
What is the actual plan? I looked at the maps on the consultation website again and it *could* be interpreted as just two lanes. This is what K***N**S**** has on his leaflet.
I'd like to be completely sure about this.
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