@Stickman & Chdot - good points both & worth trying to look out of one's own partisanship.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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In this evening's chipwrapper, another letter from our earnest correspondent. Eleven paragraphs this time.
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the road forward has not been entirely smooth. When my local neighborhood association debated the installation of a protected cycle track, residents packed public meetings to hurl profanities at the city, and each other, over the issue
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http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/12/enlisting-bikes-in-the-fight-against-inequality/511088/
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George Street is not a problem
GEORGE Street doesn’t need a complex new plan. Full pedestrianisation, no cars or bikes, making the most of the trendy bars and restaurants, outdoor musicians, banks or bureaux de change, plenty of floral displays in summer, lights in winter – job done.
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By guess who?
Actually it makes sense.
It's just that CEC would have to sort Queen Street and have proper cycle segregation from York Place on the way to Roseburn.
Mmm.
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“When it’s just two locations it’s hard to draw firm conclusions but it would seem to suggest that the council policy and focus on cycling in Edinburgh is starting to pay dividends and people are starting to use their cars less.”
Mr Greig said it was clear that Edinburgh was starting to see more investment in its cycling and public transport facilities, which he said was the best way to get people out of their cars.
He added: “If you really want to get people out of their cars and on their bikes you have to make it as safe as possible and sharing the road next to large vehicles isn’t safe.
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Sensible Tory
12:30 PM on 02/01/2017
If this self-serving interest group of bikers is so convinced there are less cars now, then why do they still keep moaning about too much traffic? If the City Centre loses more people, it will become a (further) run down area and shops will move out for good. These cyclists don't bring business to the City, they DRIVE THEM OUT!
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"We're delivering one of Scotland's longest and most ambitious protected cycle-way schemes in the City Centre West to East Link and with 10% of the entire transport budget going on cycling projects in the coming financial year, we're making significant investments in active travel provision.
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Pedestrianisation absolutely must allow for bikes. Works very well in Ghent and allows safe space for bikes, especially on wide avenues such as George St. The calming environment means that people cycle in a genteel fashion.
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I understand CALA Homes are proposing tarmacing the WoL path as parth of their bid to build 100+ homnes on Ravelrig Hill - this would linik iof course to their other development at Kinleith Mill which abuts the WoL path.
Wpould be good from my perspective except the neds will be out on motorbikes more than they are.
They are openly saying that as the road will be busier the segregated path should encouragfe cycling to work.
Joggers on here have objected to this before and the borse riders I imagine will also object so this will likely be another CALA promise prior to a build that does not happen.
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I object to being described as a jogger. I run. ;-)
I would be sad if the WoL path was all tarmaced because it is nice to feel that you are away from the tarmac even in the middle of the city. However there are other places I can go that are unlikely to ever be tarmaced and I'm coming to the conclusion that the main path is more useful to other people than runners and I guess tarmacing it would be a good thing.
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"I'm coming to the conclusion that the main path is more useful to other people than runners and I guess tarmacing it would be a good thing"
Very understanding, I hope there are plenty more people (especially locally).
IF there is developer money for this it should be 'easier' to get done.
The tarmacced section up from the canal was done by Sustrans years ago. They wanted to go further, a mixture of local feeling and the Parks Department attitude of 'preserving rural character' (this used to be a railway line!) prevailed.
There really can't be many people who would object to tarmac to the south end of the tunnel, but current money 'on offer' may not stretch that far(?)
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I've often expressed my opinion this should be tarmac all the way up the hill. Its a brownfield site no different to any other as is becoming more apparent with all the housing developments down the valley. I walked back from Bonally for the first time in years and was surprised at the volume of new housing.
There are paths off the main one and the other side of road for that rural fix and while I sympathise with the loss of "character" short of putting segregated lanes all the way up Lanark Road its the only safe route to increasingly busy commuter villages.
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Next MCC meeting on Tuesday 17th. Cycle plans on the agenda again.
http://www.murrayfieldcc.org.uk/inc/retrieve_file.php?id=234
As the opponents aren't likely to accept the decision then can anyone face going along? I won't be going as I couldn't trust myself not to take the Trump/Brexiteer line of shouting "You lost, get over it".
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I find it awkward that a giant housing estate is being built (with tarmac roads and streetlights) and they are even building a new boundary wall right up the railway path, but the path itself remains an unlit mudbath.
The marginal cost to the developer of improving the path with the heavy plant that is already there would have been negligible.
Maybe though we are bitter because we partly moved out to Currie for the cycle routes into town, but actually we don't use them (for reasons of mud and personal safety respectively). The addition of a "school" run to Lanark Rd Nursery by car, even though it's virtually on the WoL path as is our house. #thisisedinburgh etc.
If you ride over the Pentlands to Flotterstone as part of a commute into town, you shortly pick up fully tarmacced railway in the middle of nowhere in midlothian of course...
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"I couldn't trust myself not to take the Trump/Brexiteer line of shouting "You lost, get over it"."
At least they'd understand that...
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Actually they didn't lose that much, getting a review after it's in place.
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Started new thread for WoL path discussions -
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@Stickman - I'll attend the Murrayfield CC.
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"Actually they didn't lose that much, getting a review after it's in place."
Also they can try the tactic of objecting to TROs further down the line, as is happening with Tattie Shaw's et al on Elm Row currently. The Scottish government reporter has to hold a public hearing. Just delay. delay, delay, obstruct, obstruct, obstruct until (they hope) the Council cancels the project...
So vigilance still required to battle these disingenuous keen motorists posing as 'concerned residents/traders'.
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@crowriver: yes, after PG's public meeting I overheard a councillor telling "concerned residents" that this should be the tactic.
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It's strange how much of private planning law is stacked in the developers favour while public planning law seems to be entirely stacked the other way.
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"It's strange"
Not really. Welcome to capitalism!
Stacking the law in favour of private interests is how the system works.
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These popped up on my Twitter feed for some reason:
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/2126/city_centre_west_to_east_link_artist_impressions
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Hey guys. Wanted to ask how the last meeting was if anyone went to it.
Oh and I know I should have said sooner but well done everyone on approving the route. I'm a little concerned about the roseburn terrace section due to narrow pavements compared to the original plans but at least we can try to extend it further.
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The last MCC went pretty much as expected...
The usual characters making their arguments as to why the route should be different and consideration of who they should tell that they're not happy with the decision.
Expect some objections to the TROs
Oh & because they aren't anti-cycling they chased up the police to do something about 3 bikes that have been locked up on the bike racks for a while without moving...
The most interesting bit was a short talk from Corstorphine Community Council on the great work they were doing with the Corstorphine Placemaking survey and the promoting/encouraging local businesses...
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While the streetcar effort was in place I began to focus my attention on the buildings and streets themselves. A team of artists, residents, and property owners helped begin our first Better Block project, an effort to temporarily revitalize a single blighted block with any means at our disposal… We took our wide streets and thinned them by creating bike lanes and outdoor café seating so children and families could more easily access the area and seniors could have a comfortable place to sit. We brought in historic lighting and shade trees, and began converting the vacant buildings into pop-up business such as local cafes, markets, flower shops and art studios for kids. We filled the sidewalks with fruit stands and life!
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My advice to people is to live your life in alignment. If you can convince one person to make better transportation choices it can be the catalyst for a movement that engages communities and sparks progressive change.
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http://usa.streetsblog.org/2012/08/01/white-house-transportation-champions-didnt-get-there-by-car
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@hankchief "three bikes locked up without moving for a while" if those were the ones near the bus stop on the north side, I can understand, as one of them looked like an advertisement bike for the postcode lottery and one of the others had buckled wheels and looked rather abandoned. Didn't particularly notice the third, but since there are oniy three racks there, they were rather hogging the space if they were indeed abandoned for advertising etc.
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That's the ones. Only one left just now and that's had it's back wheel bent in :-(
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Good to see Roseburn PS are consulting parents on making the school run more #Active. Looks like they are going to try a walking bus if they get enough support:-)
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/roseburnparenttravel/
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It's being done by
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Mark Symonds
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Obviously the school must know about it, but I wonder if the school asked or if this is a new CEC initiative.
The school has a mixed history on ActiveTravel
A previous (long gone) HT so hated the idea of children cycling to school that she refused to have bike racks in the school grounds (which is why they - probably uniquely - are on the pavement).
She was OK about a parent running a bike club in the playground on Friday afternoons!
I wonder how much recent controversies about "Roseburn routes' has affected the way the school views things(?)
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