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Looking at the preliminary design for the Roseburn section: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/8648/ccwel_final_preliminary_design_-_roseburn_section
I see it says "Connection to Roseburn Path subject to separate study". Any ideas when/where/if that separate study was/is being/will be done?
Roseburn Path? Is that left at the bus stop, up Roseburn Cliff then down the bike chute? Or further on left after the bridge up West Coates, avoiding the steep access and on to the good access to the higher Roseburn path or is it THe spur from the latter bridge all the way back to Gorgie that is also proposed as a path? (when is that happenign?) Or is it something entirely different?
Sorry, should have been clear. I'm meaning access from Russell Road to the NEPN. The prelim designs suggest that there will be a study on how to best connect Roseburn Street to the Roseburn Path via Russell Road.
Make any sense now?
@gembo: the bit Frenchy is talking about is how to get from Roseburn junction round to the zigzags on Russell Road.
A potential link was mentioned in one of the consultation reports but no details.
EDIT: Found it: page 42 of this: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/8062/you_said_we_did
"11.2 It is likely that the Council’s current feasibility study of a cycle route link between Roseburn and Murieston will use the wide pavement referred to, which was originally constructed to facilitate future conversion to pedestrian/cycle use"
Another part of the mythical Roseburn-Canal project.
An ideal route from Roseburn to the NEPN would take the existing diagonal track that goes up the bank where the two new advertising displays are, and along the flat area at the top to join the NEPN in a very elegant way. It would completely remove the need to go along Russell Road. Is there any reason (ownership?) why this shouldn't be implemented?
To clarify, I'm particularly interested in this because it could be an opportunity to get a traffic island installed on Russell Road to prevent southbound drivers cutting the corner right by the zigzags.
@ih's plan sounds great, too, though.
@ih, yes that is more elegant than just going under the bridge then up wester coates then doubling back
@frenchy, stickman - yes russell road bad. The other route down from gorgie on unused railway should also connect up and as has been said, Russell Road could be avoided
Is there any reason (ownership?) why this shouldn't be implemented?
NIMBYs. The answer is usually NIMBYs.
Is that path steeper than the zig-zags?
No steeper than the zigzags imo, certainly than at the hairpins. I went up there once before the displays were installed - no problems.
The other route down from gorgie on unused railway
Whereabout?
@Frenchy this one I guess: http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15762
Although a down and up (under railway) or a new bridge over railway will be needed.
@LivD - thanks, must be that.
I'm told that a public consultation on joining the East-West route to Roseburn Path is likely to happen this year.
@Frenchy - I'm now very confused: joining where? Is the access at Wester Coates Terrace not sufficient, or are you talking about a route along Russel Road?
Another consultation. Sigh.
Yes, Russell Road.
Thanks. That makes sense if/when the link to the canal is built.
I imagine it will involve loss of parking, so expect OUTRAGE
You're optimistic, I was imagining it won't involve loss of parking ;)
Most of the east pavement on Russell Road is, or was at one point, shared use. Most, but not all, of the signs saying so have disappeared, or never existed. Fixing that, and sticking a traffic island in at the corner beside the zigzags would do a lot of good.
Also making continuous pathways over the entrances to the Maltings.
The pavement is quite narrow until just after the first Maltings entrance so there probably would need to be a loss of parking.
That whole 'route' is a monument to piecemeal planning.
Best solution is for Russell Road to be closed to through traffic. That isn't going to happen.
As cb said, it's very narrow at the north end. Looking at Streetview it would need to lose about 10 spaces (OUTRAGE) to widen it to the same width as further south, and also move lampposts.
Some bodge involving changing the pavement on the west side to a cycle lane could be possible, but I think the building at the corner is being converted to student accommodation so that won't work.
"Best solution is for Russell Road to be closed to through traffic. That isn't going to happen."
Yes. But.
It's happened twice in recent times for bridge works.
The world didn't end.
Is parking on that stretch of Russell Road for permit holders ?
From Streetview (May 2016) there is Loading Only (about three cars worth), then City Car Club (two cars) then free parking (two cars) then the Maltings entrance then more free parking (two cars).
Thanks. At Corstorphine CC Frank Ross said the Roseburn locals were keen on residents parking as currently the area is full of commuters dumping their cars (similar issue in Corstorphine). Suggests that the loss of a few spaces could be balanced with introducing permits to assuage OUTRAGE.
At 815AM this morning, Roseburn was down to single lane working, controlled by lights, due to power cable works outside Tesco.
Despite this, the usual queue of traffic in either direction was almost non-existent. So, Roseburn doesn't need all those lanes of traffic, it just needs the school run to be banned.
@Kaputnik also Trades Holidays I think. Ban all workmen!
@kaputnik: same when I went through yesterday and today. Might not just be down to school holidays though - I suspect that it's when bacon roll loading blocks the inside lane and all eastbound traffic stops until the right turn light changes. The current lane closures means this isn't happening. Close Russell Rd and the problem would disappear (or at least start to disperse elsewhere). West Coates is remarkably quiet. Queues westbound are rarely long in any event - maybe half a dozen vehicles at most, even at peaktime.
But without all the lanes where would the bacon roll loading take place?
Also, my current favourite rubbish parking is by the solicitors (Clancy something or other) who most days park their mini outside the office during Greenway hours, facing the wrong direction.
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The board rejected a motion calling to immediately reverse the Venice lane reduction, and approved a motion that keeps the project intact while calling for data to inform a future assessment.
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Pollution is caused by cars not moving while their engines are running.
I hadn't realised that cars don't pollute when they're moving. This changes everything!
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