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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!)

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  1. crowriver
    Member

    Done.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. Rosie
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  3. gembo
    Member

    My response started Dear surname. Which was weird. I had a word with Ru who sent it and we decided it must have been a bot. Not the word surname, but my actual surname which I have never seen as a first name before but there is still time.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. HankChief
    Member

    Isn't your surname Gembo?

    And isn't that also your 1st & middle names?

    I always thought that's why we have to shout "Gembo Gembo Gembo" when we see you, using your full name to give due deference to your status of master of the towpath ;-)

    On a serious note, thank you to everyone who has responded. Still time if you haven't. Deadline is tomorrow (Friday).

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    @hankchief, well you are maybe thinking of the parallel universe known as The Gembo-verse. If so, yes, you are absolutely right.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. Snowy
    Member

    In the gembo-verse, cycling gloves are more serious.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    @snowy never rolled with a pair such as those but used to use motorbike gauntlets which kept you warm and allowed spectacular hi 5s

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    My response started Dear surname.

    Oddly another CCEer forwarded a cooncil e-mail to me that began Dear <surname>, theirs not mine that would be weird. So this is systematic.

    Now I have revealed a shadowy CCE back-channel called e-mail I will no longer risk the canal.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. HankChief
    Member

    If you wanted an idea of the amount of work that has been going into Rejuvenating Roseburn and CCWEL, then this report is a good place to look.

    http://www.starconference.org.uk/star/2018/Mcmeddes.pdf

    Some excellent work by Rurigdh & Anna with engaging with the community to improve the public realm in Roseburn. Well done both & thank you.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  10. HankChief
    Member

    Oh, & just a heads up that the 20th June TEC will be considering the responses to the TRO/RSO process. Look out for papers on or before Thursday 14th June.

    We will be asking for a final push to get your opinions across to the relevant councillors next weekend...

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  11. Stickman
    Member

    Something to include in your response to councillors: the number of cyclists heading through Roseburn is really increasing - possibly due to the new bit of WoL path. This morning I passed 17 heading along there and through the park.

    When I got to the Roseburn junction there were 3 others at the lights at Roseburn St, and six (!) at the ASL outside Tesco. Even more heading along West Coates.

    The numbers are growing despite the lack of joined up routes: this is why it's vital that the CCEWL doesn't get compromised any further.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  12. steveo
    Member

    The number's going up the Russel Road access point were pretty high too, presumably partly off set demand from Roseburn, well at least one that I know off.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    ...and watching people with young kids trying to cross the junction there whilst drivers jump the red lights is a reminder that the plans will benefit them as well.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  14. HankChief
    Member

    Interesting to see the footnote to responses to the TRO/RSO process. Not something I have been through before...

    "We hope that you find the above response related to your objection to the advertised Traffic Regulation Order and Redetermination Order useful, and that it goes some way to addressing your concerns.
    If you wish to withdraw your objection, based on this response, please contact me before 5:00pm on Tuesday 19 June.

    We will report all outstanding objections, letters of support, and any changes made to the design following objections received, to the meeting of the Transport and Environment Committee at 3pm on
    Wednesday 20 June. The Committee Report documents will be available 7 days in advance of the meeting, and the meeting itself can be viewed online here: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/cpol

    The Transport and Environment Committee will decide at that meeting whether to progress with the Traffic Regulation Order, and the Redetermination Order for the project. However the nature of some
    objections means that, should the Committee opt to progress with these orders, a Public Hearing will be
    required, chaired by a Reporter from the Scottish Government.

    Please be aware that if you do not withdraw your objection you may be invited to appear at Public Hearing related to these orders, or you may be contacted by a representative of the Scottish
    Government in relation to your objection. If you are invited to a Public Hearing you will be notified of the date of the hearing at least 16 weeks in advance.

    If we do not hear from you before 5:00pm on Tuesday 19 June we will assume that you would like your objection to be maintained."

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    “However the nature of some objections means that, should the Committee opt to progress with these orders, a Public Hearing will be required, chaired by a Reporter from the Scottish Government.”

    Any ideas which objections are ‘serious’ enough to need a PH?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  16. jonty
    Member

    If you are invited to a Public Hearing you will be notified of the date of the hearing at least 16 weeks in advance.

    Unghhhhh.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  17. Morningsider
    Member

    chdot - Outstanding objections to a TRO that proposes restrictions on loading or creates a one-way system will trigger a public inquiry. I imagine the Roseburn TRO falls into this category.

    Details: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/614/regulation/8/made

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  18. LivD
    Member

    @Stickman that was me yesterday - with young son (age 3 on balance bike) having just come out of the dentist at the traffic lights we couldn't cross over to Tesco and head down to see the big trains (like he wanted) so we had to go up to the Roseburn Path and head home instead.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  19. Stickman
    Member

    Transport committee papers are out.

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/57547/full_meeting_papers_-_additional_transport_and_environment_committee_-_200618

    As expected, objections means that it has to go a hearing.

    :-(

    Posted 6 days ago #
  20. HankChief
    Member

    So does that mean there is nothing for the TEC to decide next week?

    Posted 6 days ago #
  21. Stickman
    Member

    Who knows.

    The council response to the complaints is excellent however.

    Posted 6 days ago #
  22. jonty
    Member

    Sounds like only the contested bits will go to a hearing - specifically the parking and loading changes. I wonder if this means that construction needn't be delayed?

    Posted 6 days ago #
  23. acsimpson
    Member

    jonty, I think the building schedule took into account that some people would choose to go through yet another round of contention about the route. So it probably wont be delayed but the original schedule (was it late 2018 or 2019) will remain.

    I'm still concerned why we have so many rounds of consultation to refine the design when it seems inevitable someone will still object.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    I had a more thorough read through this last night.

    Appendix 12 compares the current and proposed parking/loading provision. It's absurd that so much anger and noise can be expended over such a small net change.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  25. HankChief
    Member

    There were voices at the Community Council who were worried that there was now too much 'shoppers' parking as you'd now need to walk further as a resident to get to unrestricted parking.

    #youcan'twin

    Posted 5 days ago #
  26. HankChief
    Member

    All - Please do give your considered views to your councillors (especially those on TEC)

    Posted 5 days ago #
  27. HankChief
    Member

  28. HankChief
    Member

    LibDems have proposed a motion for tomorrow's TEC changing their view from the Cross Party Agreement in December 2016.

    https://twitter.com/RoseburnCycle/status/1009182875697238017?s=19

    "Amend Recommendations as follows:

    1.1.3: Delete all after ‘representation’, to read: ‘notes the amendments that are proposed to the advertised TRO to address the concerns raised within representation;

    1.1.5: notes the Council’s responses to those TRO representations which do not
    make reference to Loading and Unloading facilities, detailed in Appendix 9, and, in view of the substantial number of objectors to the narrowing of various sections of the A8 (24) and to the
    general alignment of the cycle route (15), and of continuing concerns about the design of crossings at Stanhope St and Roseburn Terrace, does not set those objections aside;

    1.1.6: noting that substantial sections of the proposed route (Morrison Street, Haymarket Terrace, Roseburn Terrace and Murrayfield Place) are affected by objections to proposed changes to loading and unloading facilities, on which there must be a public inquiry, considers that partial implementation of the advertised TRO would expose the Council to reputational and financial risk and agrees that work should not begin until these objections have been resolved;"

    Posted 1 day ago #
  29. piosad
    Member

    Oh come on. Chasing the motorist vote of Edinburgh West at the expense of everyone else?

    Posted 1 day ago #
  30. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    LibDems lower than a snake's belly. Will they induce others to break ranks?

    Posted 1 day ago #

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