I'd suggest vertical segregation. Everyone expects and responds to changes in the elevation of the ground.
Do the opposite of Leith Walk.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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And bollards. Spaced every ~4m, they shouldn't pose any problems to loading/unloading, but should prevent people driving onto the cycleway.
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Indestructible bollards
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Definitely level change, just with sympathetic curbs at side of bike lane. There's been some bone breaking incidents with a new bike lane in London with 90 degree curbs apparently.
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The height of the kerb-separation should only ever increase as you move away from the centre of the road. Cycleways that form channels will only ever collect debris & water and most certainly won’t be kept swept
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+1 for genuine vehicle-wrecking cast iron bollards and for kerbs that permit drainage and debris-dispersal.
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That was a fascinating afternoon spent looking at kerb design for Roseburn & Haymarket.
Interesting to hear the views of reps from the Access Panel & RNIB.
Thanks to Ruridgh's workworking skills we also had a life size mock up to try out.
Tescos raised the issue of manouvering their trolleys, which can be over a tonne in weight!
Relatively harmoneous session, which makes a change.
And yes, the potential to install bollards is being built into the plans :-)
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Excellent - thanks!
Any update on timescales for the TRO objections hearing?
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Can you guess which opponent of the CCEWL said these words?
"Our park sits on the banks of the Water of Leith and is a key conduit for cyclists and pedestrians commuting into town "
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@Stickman - To be fair I don't think the author of that missive opposed cycling in Roseburn Park. (Stand to be corrected on that point.)
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True, but he did oppose making a safe link into town for this "key conduit" and claimed that there were hardly any cyclists to justify that link.
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Also, I'm in sympathy with his views on not wanting more buildings in the park.
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I'll agree that he hasn't displayed joined up thinking about conduits! (See what I did there.)
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I'd get most cycling out of the park altogether by bringing the cycle route right along Riversdale Crescent to join a cycle route that extended to the Murrayfield Hotel, in fact to Corstorphine, but I, of course, am a visionary.
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I fully support your Roseburn-to-Corstorphine Vision :-)
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I wonder how many going through Roseburn Park are heading into the West End/city centre. I imagine quite a few would be heading to Fountainbridge, or joining the NEPN to head north.
The NEPN is easier to join from Wester Coates Avenue than the slalom, so the Visionary Route would eliminate Roseburn Park. Destination Fountainbridge though will only be easier via the Visionary Route if a bridge is built over the railway lines at the end of the embankment on the NEPN to join with the embankment above Russell Road. That really would be visionary, and be a tremendous sight for those approaching Edinburgh from Glasgow by train and the airport by tram.
When I worked in Colinton I had a colleague who lived by the Shore in Leith. She took the long way via the NEPN to cycle, being nervous of traffic (she’d been hit by a bus once). It gave her a 7 mile commute.
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“She took the long way via the NEPN to cycle, being nervous of traffic (she’d been hit by a bus once). It gave her a 7 mile commute.”
Others on here do similar and find it's just about as quick (no stop-start for junctions and lights) and much more pleasant.
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I use the NEPN from the Shore to the Gyle and back.
Did that when I first started cycling in 2006, then moved onto the roads when my confidence and speed grew, before finally moving back to it again as the road surfaces got worse and the joys of dodging potholes and aggressive or inattentive drivers became too much to handle any more.
It takes half of the time the bus takes, and is far more relaxing and pleasant.
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Same, my route is top of Leith Walk to west Edinburgh and I go down Macdonald Road and then NEPN to Roseburn, rather than through town. Adds nearly 3 miles each way but not much slower and way way way less stressful!
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Ah well, so not idiosyncratic on her part. Then, I can't really imagine a direct route from Leith to Roseburn which wouldn't be nasty and dangerous.
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“I can't really imagine a direct route from Leith to Roseburn which wouldn't be nasty and dangerous.”
Oh yes you can...
Just might be a while coming!
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@chdot :-) Losing my self-awarded visionary status..
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"...if a bridge is built over the railway lines at the end of the embankment on the NEPN to join with the embankment above Russell Road. That really would be visionary..."
Visionary as in what existed 100 years ago? I seem to recall there was a railway bridge over Haymarket Yards built by London & Scottish railway to reach Princes Street station at Lothian Road. Presume it connected with what is now the West Approach Road.
If they replaced that bridge, closed WAR to motor traffic and turned it into an active travel corridor, that really *would* be visionary. As in very unlikely ever to happen unless oil hits $400 a barrel or somesuch. Oh and don't say "but, electric cars", that's such a false dawn it's embarrassing seeing politcians getting all excited about it...
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“I seem to recall there was a railway bridge over Haymarket Yards“
Walked over it.
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MCC tonight (which I can't make), if anyone is interested in hearing the discussion on how the Toucan crossings at Rankeillor St work and whether the MCC should continue their objection to the Toucan at the Murrayfield Bar.
(Note they haven't provided an alternative suggestion)
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Please remind us why they are against it.
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Because they feel that by sharing the space pedestrians will be run over by cyclists.
They did ask for a separate path for cyclists across the road, but that just moves the problem of crossing paths on the pavement either end.
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Crossed the Rankeillor toucan in both directions this morning. No conflict, even with another cyclist jumping the red man a wee bit. I might manage to upload helmetcam footage if you think it'd be useful?
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My desk at work overlooks probably the busiest toucan in the city (beside the EICC) - I've seen lots of red light jumping drivers and cyclists but not seen any pedestrians hit by cyclists.
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Whilst it was good that some members of MCC visited Rankeillor street to witness the Toucans, it wasn't felt analogous to Roseburn as the demographic of pedestrians is different...
We also had various email exchanges about dangerous cyclists based on the recent BBC article.
I'm sure we'll get to the 'right' answer eventually but it isn't straightforward.
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