Ta, but when dealing with 'the real world' "wise words', 'good ideas', 'common sense' and even "facts" are not enough!!
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Posted 8 years ago #
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There was a van parked up outside the Roseburn Cafe with his hazards flashing
You are surely not suggesting that this business might rely heavily on (possibly) illegal stopping/parking from passing tradesmen....and that this might influence the opinions of the business owner?? <sarcasm>
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Who owns the bit of land behind the billboards on the north side of the road? That's crying out to have a bike/pedestrian link directly down from the NEPN to the new bike lane.
With signs on the NEPN pointing to local cafes/shops/pubs.(I know you can round by Wester Coates but direct is better)
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"Who owns the bit of land behind the billboards on the north side of the road?"
Presumably the company who own the billboard? It's often the case.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Is that not the old station yard/approach?
Posted 8 years ago # -
The Gods of Cycling have caused a massive tailback on Corstorphine Road. Jammed up to the West End.
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I went along Roseburn Tce just before 9am this morning.
There were 2 vans parked in the North loading bay, partaking in the Roseburn Cafe food emporium. It seems* it is legal to "load" there at any time. There were 3 vehicles parked illegally in the South loading bay (1 car, 1 lorry delivering and 1 van). It is not legal to "load" in the South bay during peak hours.
So at peak time the road was effectively reduced to 2 lanes. However it was not congested, nor particularly busy - the traffic was moving freely. The congestion on the A8 was far worse up by the lights at Western Corner and continued to be bad all the way along to the Zoo (where I stopped continuing along the A8). There, it was slow enough moving that I was cycling faster than them.
*If I am not mistaken, the sign is confusing.
The Loading hours are:
- South side: 09:30 to 16:00 Mon - Fri
- North (Roseburn Cafe) side: Any time!?
Roseburn Tce loading bay South side 21 Jan 2016 08:55 by Ed, on Flickr
Roseburn Tce loading bay North side 21 Jan 2016 08:55 by Ed, on Flickr
Roseburn Tce loading bay South side 21 Jan 2016 08:55 by Ed, on Flickr
Roseburn Tce loading South side by Ed, on Flickr
Roseburn Tce loading North side by Ed, on Flickr
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Don't know, have a feeling it was (may still be - or not!) 'the council'.
Was Murrayfield Station goods yard. Always surprised that no developer has found a way of making money out of. Presumably the cost of removing some or all of whatever 'waste' makes up the plateau is prohibitive.
Not convinced that a new walk/cycle route would be 'better', current access (with a gate last time I looked) is quite steep.
Posted 8 years ago # -
'Traffic' must be related to this -
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@on_lothianbuses: We are experiencing delays to services this morning due to the closure of Queensferry Road. Please allow extra time for your journey.
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Posted 8 years ago # -
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@intershed: Crash on Queensferry Road Edinburgh has brought north and east of Edinburgh to a standstill. Way too many cars on the road! #takethebike
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The congestion on the A8 was far worse up by the lights at Western Corner and continued to be bad all the way along to the Zoo
Queensferry Road was closed after a pedestrian was hit by a van around 7am. All roads in the area, including M9/A90, were jammed. Not helped by all the drivers I saw blocking junctions, squeezing out of side roads and blocking bus lanes etc.
Shows how much current transport choices are vulnerable to just one link being closed.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Queensferry Rd was closed at the junction with Clermiston Rd.
So presumably some of the A90 traffic would re-route up Drum Brae then along the A8.
That said, the A8 did not appear to be busy or congested at Roseburn (perhaps the traffic was stuck further back).
I'll have to do my straw poll survey again, when there aren't any "accidents".
Posted 8 years ago # -
I suppose going into a shop and coming out with a bacon roll is technically 'loading' but probably not in the spirit it was intended.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@cb - actually "loading" has been proven in case law. It requires continual activity and materials of substantial volume/mass, so a book, or a bacon roll, wouldn't count because the loading wouldn't be shuttling back and forth and even if you did take the roll, go back for the tea, then back for the bacon, these items aren't heavy enough to warrant it.
I'm afraid the bacon roll scenario constitutes parking, not loading.
I'm unfortunately speaking from experience as I was legitimately issued with a penalty notice for "parking" in a "loading" bay whilst picking up a small electrical component. In researching case law prior to appealing the penalty charge, I discovered that I wasn't actually loading and, chastened, I paid up.
I have subsequently successfully appealed a notice where I was indeed loading legitimately...
Robert
Posted 8 years ago # -
Bacon roll and a takeaway coffee counts as "loading" surely? Naw? You're having a laugh!
Anyway if London Road is anything to go by, the congestion is 99% single occupancy motor cars/vans. In one minute I counted 3 bikes, 1 motorbike, 2 buses, 1 motor vehicle with front seat passenger, and 40+ single occupant motor vehicles. I was waiting to cross the road in the face of this constant stream of traffic. The buses were carrying more folk than the other motor vehicles combined.
So, Roseburn residents: who is really causing the congestion?
Posted 8 years ago # -
@Roibeard that's worth knowing... I too have been irritated by people "loading" a newspaper or a bacon roll but have assumed that they are technically within the rules. Obviously I am wrong.
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So in the eyes of the law, you'd need to be "loading" an awful lot of bacon rolls.
Who's up for a spot of Roseburn rush-hour traffic counting next week?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Petition removed from Tesco. From Customer Services.
Thank you for your email and I apologise for the delay in getting back to you.
I'm so sorry our Roseburn Express store was displaying a petition regarding a proposed cycle path in the area. I've been in contact with our Store Manager, Keith Gordon who has confirmed that he was unaware it had been left in store without his knowledge. It was removed immediately and Keith and his team will remain vigilant in order to avoid a repeat occurrence.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.Posted 8 years ago # -
One of my colleagues who commutes by car from Dunfermline has been stuck on the motorway for 3 hours because of the accident.
Posted 8 years ago # -
"One of my colleagues who commutes by car from Dunfermline has been stuck on the motorway for 3 hours because of the accident."
The trains seem to be running normally. There's a park'n'ride at Inverkeithing they could use. Just saying...
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There's not much that can cause a 3 hour delay to trains. Mostly a complete collapse of the infrastructure (overhead wires down, bridge attempting escape to the Clyde) or a broken down train in a remote area.
Even the biggest, baddest other faults (control systems, points failures) will mostly be solves within 3 hours. By contrast it doesn't take much of an RTC on a motorway to make a 3 hour queue, even if 1 lane is open.
A car hold up will be 'one of those things' and a railway hold up is 'Goddamn this unreliable railway I'm just going to drive next time'. Reality is travel holds risks and just need to roll with it.
Don't get me started comparing trains to airlines either, the latter industry having no standardised measure of punctuality and no public statistics either.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@Klaxon the big difference being that we don't plan to ram more trains down the lines that it's possible for them to safely and efficiently handle! Actually, we plan for capacity vs. utilisation full stop. We should take the same approach with roads.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I got responses from Cllrs Balfour and Edie.
Balfour's concerns are:
1. The dangers to people on crossing the road (I've asked him to clarify if that means the 2-stage crossing becoming one, or of the danger of crossing the bike lane itself)
2. Effect on business
3. Loss of bus laneEdie is worried about the loss of the bus lane, which he regards as "sacrosanct" (though not enough to stop loading in it apparently). He's suggesting a narrower path on the south side of West Coates which would then cut through the tiny alleyway behind the Tesco.
Make of that what you will.
Posted 8 years ago # -
"Actually, we plan for capacity vs. utilisation full stop."
Don't know what that means .
Railways often don't provide the capacity to meet demand - plenty examples just in the east of Scotland with new railways underestimating the actual popularity.
Of course much of the problem for both road and rail "capacity" is 'having" to deal with peak demand - 'everyone' must be at work at 9:00 AND a high proportion insist on travelling alone in their personal four-wheelers.
This is the sort of thing where Government(s) need to take some responsibility!
Perhaps even investing small amounts in cheaper forms of transport that would attract some people...
One reason that London is keen on cycling is that it takes some pressure off the tube and bus networks - not that the UKGov keeps London too short when it comes to BIG infrastructure.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Nothing screams "safety" quite like a route through a tiny alleyway.
Posted 8 years ago # -
... And Gavin Barrie has told me that he can't support the scheme as it stands because moving the Haymarket taxi rank away from the station/Tram stop. He says that would make it difficult for the disabled, which is fair enough. There must be a workable solution that doesn't involve the loss of the A8 route.
Posted 8 years ago # -
At least rail capacity vs. utilisation is managed via fare structures (ref. London peak time commuter route prices).
A sensible road-pricing system would be a start.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Stickman - that would be the same Councillor Edie that voted to reduce the hours that bus lanes operate and to allow their use by motorbikes at the Transport and Environment Committee meeting on 2 June 2015. Clearly "sacrosanct" has a meaning that I was not aware of.
Posted 8 years ago # -
There will be a small Taxi rank and disabled persons' drop-off point in the jug handle outside the original Haymarket station building. Just zoom in a bit:
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