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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Labour Against the Witch Hunt Within Labour Against the Witch Hunt
Gold.
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Oh my, exploring this rabbit warren is quite the way to spend a Bank Holiday evening: founding partner in his new adventure is the owner of the Roseburn art shop. How will they be able to maintain unity when fighting on several fronts? Betrayal and treason lurks at every (traffic-calmed) street corner.
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Which “new adventure”?
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Upstream in the thread I have submitted my response to the survey, all good.
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@chdot: the new group he was inappropriately plugging on the Roseburn Park Facebook page.
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Back upstream the Shiraz Socialism piece is great. PG - I was using exaggerate in the less well known meaning, I.e. the Gregsonian Meaning and then a fantastic letter from Jon Lansman to PG - please let me apologise for ever having asked you for your vote, I do not want your vote. go Jon.
With Shiraz and Lansman and the other link with the witch hunt against the witch hunt party, it seems some people have a sense of humour and have decided to take the piss out of PG.
I can confirm bizarrely that he does have a Jewish best friend. But then he is also an anti-cycling campaigner who cycles everywhere. Ka-ramba
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"I have learnt that Stop the War coalition are really a front for the SWP, who in Scotland are sympathetic to the Friends of Israel. Thus the Zionists effectively dictate Stop the War policy. Their hypocrisy was exposed when I sought their support for the Glasgow ZIR rally for Palestine to mark the Great March of Return. None of their patrons – Brian Eno, Diane Abbott MP, George Galloway, Mark Rylance, Tariq Ali plus 22 other luminaries cared to consider my complaint. "
Zionists dictating Stop the War policy is a highly original interpretation.
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Good grief!
I can scarcely believe this is the same fellow I used to know 20 years ago.
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https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/reason_for_removal_of_air_qualit#outgoing-897444
“Dear City of Edinburgh Council,
Please indicate how long this will take? I do not understand the delay. I plan on going to the Information Commissioner because of the Council's conduct if you cannot provide a date soon - this begins to seem part of a wider conspiracy to control data around air pollution in our area..
Yours faithfully,
P Gregson”
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Good to know this is being dealt with by
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Head of Strategy & Insight
The City of Edinburgh Council“
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I would have thought allying with PG's increasingly unsavoury windmill-tilting will have more negative impact on the art shop's already declining revenues than 100 cycle paths.
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I would happen to agree that the number of air monitoring stations in Edinburgh is low and the data transparency poor.
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Also, I don't doubt that CEC have attempted (at least in the past) to cook the books on air pollution - viz. the previous practice of siting pollution monitors away from roads, in places like Princes St gardens.
I wonder how much damage our "Murrayfield retired air pollution expert" has done during his 20 years at SEPA, in that regard? He certainly seems to have no understanding of modal-shift or induced-demand and seems to think you can "reduce" pollution just by moving the monitors about.
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The council have now answered:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/reason_for_removal_of_air_qualit#incoming-1362155
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The Murrayfield Bar is up for lease.
It’s business model of being empty apart from on rugby international days must be unsustainable with the bike lane plans.
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Lots of interesting details in that reply. This one particularly so:
"In addition, the area had already been declared an Air Quality Management
Area (AQMA) in 2000, therefore the need for monitoring was reduced i.e. it
had been proven that the levels of NO[2] were above the annual mean legal
objective. The other monitoring site was retained for continuity purposes."So the objective of the monitors is simply to prove that Something Needs To Be Done - once that's proved, they don't really care until they think they've solved the problem. And I suppose they are Doing Something (if slowly.) However, always nice to have continuous data to evaluate interventions and track progress over time.
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http://www.friendsofroseburnpark.org.uk/2019/04/13/armoury-mural/
"The film, entitled “The Message Must Get Through” shows how the Armoury served as the nerve centre for squaddies on bikes coming from all parts of the city."
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The TEC papers highlight the proposed support for the traders during construction.
P4-6
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/60743/item_61_-_business_bulletin
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And Tuesday's MCC will see the results of the Rejuvenating Roseburn Consultation. Expect fireworks...
7.30pm Murrayfield Church upper hall
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"The film, entitled “The Message Must Get Through” shows how the Armoury served as the nerve centre for squaddies on bikes coming from all parts of the city.
I did go to that and there was some interesting footage. Guys on bikes with flat handlebars were practising crossing rivers when the bridges are blown up. So they're going up and down the banks of the Water of Leith and through water that's about 18 inches deep. I don't know if that would have been much preparation for the Rhine...
They were zipping around the city at a very good pace in almost empty streets. Any chance of bringing back petrol rationing?
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Early release of the survey has much data in our favour though this will not go down well.
In a move of clarity and niceness big R has deleted my comments and those of anyone else who was honest about having a post code outwith roseburn.
So even within the gammon zone majority are in favour
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@gembo - did you spot the bit where big R is letting MCC have the casting vote (when even the locals were in favour)?
It will be an interesting MCC meeting tomorrow night when no doubt some members will try to argue that their view should count more than the responders to the official consultation...
And to make tomorrow even more special, someone (you can guess who) has branched out into filmmaking...
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Perhaps Big R is playing the long game? The community voted for this but you MCC folk reject what the community wants in favour of your on agenda.
The film making is how I first came across The Very Special One. He ran a video making group for young people but the council already funded such a venture elsewhere in the city and chose to only have one such venture. This withdrawal of funding is one part of the jigsaw though pointless trying that jigsaw as ultimately several pieces are missing
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Ah yes YPSO. I seem to recall they had European money for the first three years. When that ran out they had to rely on Council funding, Lottery grants etc. that's when the problems began. YPSO sprang from another PG brainchild, VAC, formerly LVUG. I know because I shared an office with LVUG/VAC in the early 1990s.
The main rivals in Edinburgh were EFWT (RIP) and VIP (still going I think). VIP had an advantage in that the two main staff members were employed by the Council on permanent contracts (as community workers IIRC). So they had it relatively cushy in Pilton.
If anyone requires further information on the history of community video organisations in Edinburgh let me know.
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Wow. PG still bitter about the Edinburgh video scene of the nineties. I do sympathise with the plight of VAC/FVA/Edinburgh Mediabase, it/they were good organisations and helped a lot of folk. However I now see that the persecution complex has been applied retrospectively to everything, even if there may be some grains of truth in there...
http://www.kidsnotsuits.com/fake-news-how-public-lies-begin/
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Stroke of genius on the consultants' part - to include the options of where to site bins and whether the planter should be curved or square.
Reminds me of "Atwood's Duck":
5. A Duck
A feature added for no other reason than to draw management attention and be removed, thus avoiding unnecessary changes in other aspects of the product.
I don't know if I actually invented this term or not, but I am certainly not the originator of the story that spawned it.
This started as a piece of Interplay corporate lore. It was well known that producers (a game industry position, roughly equivalent to PMs) had to make a change to everything that was done. The assumption was that subconsciously they felt that if they didn't, they weren't adding value.
The artist working on the queen animations for Battle Chess was aware of this tendency, and came up with an innovative solution. He did the animations for the queen the way that he felt would be best, with one addition: he gave the queen a pet duck. He animated this duck through all of the queen's animations, had it flapping around the corners. He also took great care to make sure that it never overlapped the "actual" animation.
Eventually, it came time for the producer to review the animation set for the queen. The producer sat down and watched all of the animations. When they were done, he turned to the artist and said, "that looks great. Just one thing - get rid of the duck."
https://blog.codinghorror.com/new-programming-jargon/
See also, "bikeshedding":
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I’m not linking to it but I’ve just seen PGTips wee video about air pollution on Roseburn Terrace. A 7 minute video about air pollution showing the vehicles causing the air pollution and he wants the cycle lane scrapped. Starts off with his mate Mr Art Shop in a gas mask.
The guy is beyond parody.
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At my first MCC meeting today. Never felt my eyes roll harder than when the CCWEL pollution video was played.
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