There are quite a few of the 'grey box' counters which can apparently distinguish between vehicles and bikes - you could try FOIing some of that data? Presumably the council is already looking into it though if it's material for the enquiry.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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The canal one has data available here: http://www.bicyclecounter.dk/BicycleCounter/BC_Scotland_BC5.jsp
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@HankChief: as ever, sterling work to try to source this but for the sake of your own health is it worth it? PG and his gang are never going to be convinced by any evidence. And if the Reporter isn’t going to listen to all the evidence already provided by the council then the whole system is broken.
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I've sent in a reply pointing out the subzero temperatures might have impacted cycle numbers...
As their count was performed by MCC I felt I had to point out the inaccuracy in the statement that MCC made to accompany it. (Which I had no opportunity to comment on)
No MCC until the New Year so I can let them blow themselves out.
They are looking at heading to the 5th December Transport Committee, so expect some more shenanigans...
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@HankChief - excellent work, as usual. I'm with Stickman though. Give yourself a break and let the opponents get on with it. Every time they break cover, they manage to further damage their own case. I can hardly imagine they will be welcomed by the Committee after their last appearance.
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You're probably right... It is just so frustrating seeing the nonsense that has to be gone through for a single km of cycle route...
A few more documents gone on to the portal with the council's own counts..
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Council using PG’s own survey to show that cycle use would rise in line with their forecasts . This response is pretty much verbatim what someone (can’t remember who) posted on this very thread!
http://dpea.scotland.gov.uk/Document.aspx?id=645032
Also PG complaining to the Reporter about a newspaper article covering the hearing....
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This morning I said to a stalwart campaigner on this topic that while I am a strong enthusiast for local democracy, there does have to be a time when the powers-that-be say 'enough is enough'. I am pleased to note that the Reporter does now appear to be taking this line.
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Back in the day, I once had a desk in a large organisation next to the 'Exec Complaints' dept.
I was imagining it would be lots of 'we're really sorry let us make it up to you' but it ended up being much more 'well, that's your opinion, we've done everything we will. Goodbye'
Quite enlightening...
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Some new documents are up including matrices of projected cycle trips and their origin/destination: http://www.dpea.scotland.gov.uk/Document.aspx?id=646100
Oddly, the previous omission of such a table was discussed in excruciating length at the hearing so clearly the reporter feels this is very important.
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Another one. I'm quite uplifted by the interest from our young neighbours.
"Hi, could any cyclists in Edinburgh (particularly the haymarket/city centre area) please complete my survey for my advanced higher geography study. I am currently in my final year at st. George’s and I would greatly appreciate any help. It will only take a moment. Thank you,
Anya"Posted 5 years ago # -
That is a better one
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Completed both surveys. Man, what I would have given for an online survey when I was doing my CSYS geography. Certainly beats pounding the streets actually having to accost strangers to complete your survey.
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Certainly beats pounding the streets actually having to accost strangers to complete your survey.
Ah, those were the days. I did one for the Chamber of Commerce, once, about public reaction to smoking and supposed banning thereof. This was in about 2001, so I was somewhat ahead of my time.
I managed to delegate the tedious question-asking bit, heh. The sample size was
suspiciouslyimpressively large,butso I was able to do some decent analysis. I had much to learn though, as I recall using pie charts, which were very much in vogue then, instead of more interpretable bar charts.Posted 5 years ago # -
Two years from inception!!
https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/1197960682416812037?s=20
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My higher geography dissertation involved pounding the streets and measuring the length of all the shop fronts on Ayr High. Polis only made enquiry at end. By this time I had blisters on my hand from winding the tape measure in. Was a sunday morning. In that century shops did not open on a Sunday at all.
Marks and Spencers paid the most per metre in rates.
BHS used my dissertation to decide where to build a shop (next to M&S), everything gone on Ayr high st now except M&S
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They are still doing Higher Geography surveys the traditional way in Linlithgow. High school pupils accosted me as I walked down the high street there last month. They were very surprised to learn that my mode of transport from Falkirk was by foot!
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"Please see the attached cycling monitoring information from Murrayfield Community Council which the reporter has decided to accept."
I look forward to being informed there are in fact zero cyclists that go near Roseburn. Any that do are actually council holographic projections.
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From the MCC letter:
I state this as the CEC count was not carried out physically in situ whereby MCC cycle count was carried out by persons known to me and I am happy to vouch for them. We organised a rota and 2 people were present during the count.
The CEC count was done with Ouija boards and divining rods from a secret location apparently.
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Fake count
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I was pondering... Does anyone know why Roseburn isn't 20mph on the A8? I thought the council had said that it would be 20mph on any shopping street. E.g. through Corstorphine. Why not Roseburn?
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Don’t know, but it and West Coates are down to change to 20mph according to the 20mph monitoring report.
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On the face of it, it therefore appears to the Reporter that some valid objections on loading and unloading provisions were made in relation to proposals beyond the red rectangles, ie they were made in relation to proposals within the areas where the council has authority to make a TRO in part and so, on that particular basis, are excluded from the Reporter's remit. But that conflicts with the position which the Reporter thought was established at the hearing (see above), and potentially conflicts with the legislation.
Seems like there may have been a procedural error when considering the objections. Looking forward to CCWEL being delayed by another 18 months.Posted 5 years ago # -
That's disappointing. Particularly on the day when the Headlines say that Scotland needs to work harder to reduce CO2:
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The Council considers that the Community Council’s counts support the Council’s position in relation to the number of cyclists. They are in the region of the numbers originally estimated in the Project Justification Report for all relevant West-East movement corridors for this section of the route, despite the Community Council counts being for the A8 alone. The Council considers this suggests their original estimates are conservative
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@acsimpson; perhaps the SG could take a real lead and ensure that no one travels to the COP26 event given ability to engage online (pah, its being seen as a huge tourism marketing coup)
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Reporter now states it will be almost impossible to complete the report in mid-January. Yay.
The Reporter also draws your attention to previous correspondence about when he hoped to complete his reports on the ROD and TRO cases for Roseburn to Haymarket. As you know he was aiming for completion in mid-January. This now looks impossible, and the Reporter regrets that. Although he had factored in a Christmas break, the substantial amount of important material being submitted late in the process is delaying correspondingly important elements of his report drafting. He acknowledges that accepting Mr Gregson's comments is part of that process, but it is not the only part.
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PGTips’ latest rant is about forecast increases in cycling. TL; DR - he know best and all evidence from elsewhere is to be ignored.
Why is this lunatic still being indulged?
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Many, many pages in one of those documents of him saying "Look, a journey from place X to place Y would be a half mile longer if the cyclist made use of the CCWEL".
Which is quite rich from Mr Everyone-Should-Just-Use-NCN1.
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Council response to PG’s latest ramblings.
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