That boy should be receiving regular invoices for the work he's causing.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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I'd be curious to know just how much they've had to spend on legal fees for this. Must be quite off putting to smaller councils wanting to try and build cycle infrastructure.
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The whole thing has cost millions. Democracy in action.
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The really bizarre thing is that the Scottish Government procedures are allowing this shouting match to drag on for months, we'll after the hearings and even deadlines set by the reporter to wrap things up.
Does this mean a group like XR can object to every new road with similar ferocity and ensure that none are ever built again?
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Report is now expected in February. Might be a bit tight for CEC as the report needs to be signed off by ministers and they want to start construction in May.
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“needs to be signed off by minister“
Actual ministers or just rubberstamped (or not) after being scrutinised by officials?
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Not sure really - the term seems to be used to mean anything SG in this process. Found this decision notice, seems like it might just be passed to Transport Scotland civil servants http://www.dpea.scotland.gov.uk/Document.aspx?id=226784
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A nice surprise today, construction is starting on the first bit of CCWEL on Monday (27th) at York Place - will last till June. Was previously under the impression this wouldn't happen until September.
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@CycleAlex
Does that mean trams will be sharing space with private cars?
The horror! What could go wrong?
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@neddie Despite how amusing that would no doubt be, I'm fairly certain York Place will be Westbound closed once works move to the single lane part.
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"I agree. David Bol seems to be the last remaining decent journo at Scotsman publications.."
he's moving to the herald. Hope the local coverage will continue with a new hand?
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Not Edinburgh (obviously...)
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The consultation showed that 82% of respondents felt that the proposals would mean that more people would cycle, whilst 67% thought more people would walk. Around half of people also thought that the proposals would mean fewer people using private cars for personal journeys.
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It’s now mid-February. Any sign of the Reporter’s judgement?
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Sadly it is just a waiting game now...
Just have to keep waiting for the DPEA site to publish the outcome...
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Kerbing starting to appear at York Place. Seems a bit overkill on the median strip?
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Good to see construction actually in progress.
I'm pleased that there is quite a wide gap being left between the cycleway and the road, as you don't want to encourage people to cycle too close to the edge and potentially get thwacked by a wing mirror, etc.
(Or are you more wondering about the pavior stones, rather than just plain old tarmac? mumble, mumble, heritage, mumble, mumble, if they're not able to spend the cycling budget on quantity of infrastructure, they at least attempt to spend it rather more expensively (although that's not a particularly desirable thing, polished [golden hotel spires], and the like…)
I'm still not keen on two-way cycleways, however, for various reasons, one of which is that people who are cycling towards oncoming traffic will have the full glare of headlights facing them, and the second of which is that travelling in opposite directions makes for an even more dangerous closing velocity in the event of a collision, and the third of which, hang on, I'll come in again…
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IIRC from the last plans I saw, there is going to be pedestrian guardrail on that median strip.
Sorry to disappoint further.
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From the bus route changes taking effect from Sunday 29 March:
"Q. Why do services 104 & X7 now run to West End and not Melville Street?
A. This is in advance of public realm works associated with the CCWEL cycle project on Melville Street. It will also improve links to the central business district south of Shandwick Place for customers."
https://www.lothianbuses.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Service-Change-FAQ.pdf
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No updates in a month or so on the DPEA website. I suppose that means they're at least working on the report rather than still asking for extra information.
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The minutes of the last Murrayfield CC meeting said they expect the report in March.
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Just to keep everyone's spirits high, it's still entirely possible that a public hearing will be required for the section 2 (Haymarket-Charlotte Sq.) RSO.
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And who should be guest speaker at an anti-semitic conspiracy theory group Keep Talking meeting but Murrayfield's finest:-
"During one gathering in London last year, suspended Labour supporters heard James Thring, an infamous antisemite linked to the former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke, speak openly and unchallenged about Holocaust denial...
During the meeting at which Thring spoke, on 5 March 2019 at a Kentish Town cafe, ex-Labour party member Peter Gregson was the guest speaker with a speech titled: “The loss of freedom of speech on Israel, thanks to bogus antisemitism claims.”
Gregson, who was thrown out of the GMB union and suspended by the Labour party over antisemitic allegations, has founded a group called Labour Against Zionism and Islamophobic Racism (Lazir)."
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Just checking the (draft) minutes of this week's MCC having missed the meeting itself, I also most thought they had managed a whole meeting without any cycle chat. Sadly no, when discussing the City Mobility Plan
"the only question relevant to Roseburn is “Do you support arterial cycle routes?”".<sigh>
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I attended the meeting and the CCWEL was skipped over. They had a good 40 minutes from the community policewoman on stats and sports fans peeing in the streets. That used up the time rather.
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I had dream last night where I bumped into PG, he was wearing A FUNNY stovepipe hat and then cycling helmet about two feet on top
I pushed him about a little. Not too much. Sorry.
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Thanks for enduring, Rosie.
I would have thought that a community that is so against pollution caused by thousands of vehicles using its main shopping street would have something more to say about a plan to set the City's transport strategy for the next 20 years...
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Our local Planning Expert (TM) wasn't present so they didn't comment on the City Mobility Plan.
Suggest they use Spokes's comprehensive submission as a model :-)
Spokes very much welcomes the overall objectives of the plan, particularly the target of net zero carbon emissions from transport by 2030 and the aim to increase trips made by healthy and sustainable travel modes. Taken together with the City Centre Transformation and City Plan 2030, this represents a major step forward in planning for a more sustainable and people-friendly City and we congratulate the Council on its publication.
Infrastructure
Spokes welcomes the completion by 2022 of currently planned segregated routes: CCWEL, Meadows-Canal, West Edinburgh Link, Bioquarter to Dalkeith Rd, Leith Walk, Meadows-George St (May 2023).
We strongly support the proposals to build cycling facilities on all arterial routes. The norm for such routes, and any other main roads, should be segregated provision. However the plans for arterial road cycleroutes should be completed by 2022 rather than the 2025 suggested in the draft Plan, so that implementation can follow on immediately from the current cycleroute projects which are due for completion by 2022. Delaying the start of implementation until 2025 would be very disappointing.
Constructing proper facilities for cyclists at the West End junction is recognised in the Plan to be a priority. We emphasise this point, in view of the tramline-related cyclist’s death there, and the continuing tramline cyclist crashes. This junction also remains a significant barrier for cyclists travelling between south and north (in either direction).
We support the ‘to not through’ city centre proposals, provided that cyclists can continue to be able travel through the city centre.
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From looking through the Road Safety Audit (wild Sunday, I know), the section of the route being built by the St James Centre team finishes at Elder Street, rather than Nth St Andrew St.
Given the current works finish in June and the CEC CCWEL works don't start till September in the east (assuming no objections to TRO/RSO), it seems quite likely we'll have a mostly pointless cycle lane sitting there over summer.
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