CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 15years old!
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It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
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Due to the many interface points along the route and to maximise the accessibility of the adjacent paths to the public, a formal diversion route was not implemented,
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This seems to mean that there are many possible alternative routes so it’s better not to encourage everyone to only use one.
Are there lots of options?
Not really. Just along Coltbridge Terrace, but I really can't understand if they have somehow linked those signs in Roseburn to the viaduct closing.
How about council tells contractor to do one until current transport crisis abates somewhat?
I don't understand why they couldn't at least have a recommended route. That part of path is effectively the cycle route equivalent of a trunk route which will no doubt carry many who have no idea about the area they're cycling over/under.
"Not really. Just along Coltbridge Terrace, but I really can't understand if they have somehow linked those signs in Roseburn to the viaduct closing."
Requires some local knowledge to know Garscube/Coltbridge is a partial alternative. Some may get confused around St George's and have a wasted trip down and up the steps if the council just does the Pontius Pilate thing.
Cyclist Dismount. Just the one...
https://twitter.com/livia1521/status/1272541154123436032?s=19
Coltbridge is going to reopen at weekends apparently...
https://twitter.com/Mr_Mark_Brown/status/1273671510239014912?s=19
And new signage coming shortly.
Re: Coltbridge...
It's of great concern to me that any aspect of CEC activity that affects cycling invariably seems to be messed up initially, and it's only through extreme vigilance and effort (often from the same few heroic individuals) that these things are caught and corrected. That's just not sustainable.
I wish we could get this point across to CEC in a way that would be effective.
@NiallA - Yes, and it's not just a matter of slightly poor design eg a blind corner or not dropping a kerb but a total failure of common sense. How did the person who recommended that map they stuck on the fence think it could begin to meet the case?
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Coltbridge viaduct repairs -
We are advised that due to the location of the current worksite, Roseburn Path will *NOT* be open this weekend (27 / 28 June).
#edintravel
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https://twitter.com/edintravel/status/1278666765610954754?s=21
Section of Telford Path closed from Monday 6th July for 8 weeks for repairs to Telford Road bridge.A pedestrian / cycle diversion route will be signposted.
Drivers - please avoid overtaking cycles on this short stretch of Groathill Avenue.
#edintravel
"Drivers - please avoid overtaking cycles on this short stretch of Groathill Avenue."
Yeah, that'll work.
Why is acceptable to close cycle paths for prolonged periods to repair bridges, while extraordinary measures are taken to keep roads open in the same circumstances?
It's now more than a year since the Section 2 RSO was sent to the Scottish Government and still nothing. A year delay (perhaps even more to come) before of seven objections. 7!
People often give CEC flack for being slow but it just seems absolutely crazy that every big (or even small) cycling project CEC come up with has to have an 18 month delay built in from the start. Despite this the supposedly active travel supporting Transport Scotland does nothing to change this archaic process.
"Why is acceptable to close cycle paths for prolonged periods to repair bridges, while extraordinary measures are taken to keep roads open in the same circumstances?"
Is this the kind of thing they would do overnight then reopen for rush hour?
“Is this the kind of thing they would do overnight then reopen for rush hour?”
I don’t know the specifics of what’s happening at Coltbridge or Groathill, but the default response in both cases has been to close the cycle path partially/totally, despite the site differences (Coltbridge, cycle path over WoL path and road, both of which remain open at all times AFAIK; Groathill, road over cycle path). I don’t think roads would be closed in quite such a blasé fashion.
I had a brief Tweet exchange with Cllr Hal Osler last night about the Groathill Road situation (Inverleith ward, so her area). She immediately went to the street and must have been tweeting through the discussion from there! Her suggestion was to look at re-routing the diversion up/ down Groathill Road South. That's slightly longer, but off the main desire line for cars. It would need a temporary crossing at the top to get over Telford Road to get back to the access point, but that's not rocket surgery...
She's going to try to progress further today/ asap. Of course, not in any way a guarantee, but I thought it was incredibly helpful of her (I'm not a constituent!) and would seem to be a sensible temporary solution, if it can be made to happen.
Obviously, there's still a lot that could go wrong in terms of lack of clear signage etc, but...
Isn't the bridge at the bottom pretty tight with a blind approach? A couple of planters would eliminate that risk.
I don't think I've ever gone that way, so no idea Rob.
I think it would be lovely to get to a point where temporary closure of a traffic-free route triggered provision of an equally-safe alternative (temp segregation etc). Then we can all stop being amateur roads engineers.
Indeed! I can't see how cones will help on Groathill Avenue due to the pinch points but I guess we'll see what the professionals come up with.
Then we can all stop being amateur roads engineers.
TBF, that kind of thinking is what helps thrash out the human issues when we take part in Consultation Mania.
But also TBF, being amateur roads engineers is what most of the forumites on SABRE are doing too, just with free-flow motorway junctions and bypass ideas, instead of bike paths and crossings.
And more cynically, for it is Friday and I am tired, Amateur Road Engineering in both cases is being met by the authorities with warm words and cold appreciation.
Had to look up SABRE. Wow - thought I had some niche hobbies.
I happen to have quiescent membership of both SABRE and Railscot. The former just ended up annoying me, the latter kept spamtrapping my posts.
I am simply not cool enough to be a member of this forum...
Just to update my previous post, further Twitter comms from Cllr Osler indicate she's had some discussion with relevant staff this morning, and back to plan A - stay on the main road but look at trying to cone off some space. As Rob commented, that may be quite tricky, but I hope we've nudged things in a better direction? (Ever the optimist).
Very impressive responsiveness from HO.
Groathill Ave is rife with pavement parking (as Streetview confirms). Can't see this working without enforcement which CEC is utterly incapable of.
@NiallA - I was really impressed by Hal Osler when she appeared at the Spokes Hustings before she was elected, and I think she’s been a really good addition to the council (not just on active travel, but in most areas). She also appears to be a thoroughly nice person, which can’t always be said about politicians. More power to her.
Re Roseburn Village - Mr Horse and Hound has been open and is flogging off wild bird food -= a new line with him which he says is doing well. Maybe a sign of more working from home and more local shopping. I have been feeding the birds more, and am delighted that I have a bird food supplier within walking distance. My shopping patterns have changed.
If I'm working from home in the next few months and the cafes are safe, I'd saunter down for the occasional cappuccino and a break from my own four walls. Home workers do use cafes in that way.
Whoop whoop.
RSO has been published in favour of the plans with only a minor amendment.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!
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