It really makes you quite depressed about our ability to change anything despite every year breaking new records for fire, flood and pestilence, doesn't it? The planning process is basically completely inappropriate for the challenge at hand.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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@Dave, I make it seven years. 2014 was initial proposal IIRC. However the good news is contractors expected to start later this year.....so with a bit of luck and a fair wind, there might be some completed cycle infrastructure between Roseburn and Haymarket sometime in 2022.
However we'll have to wait at least another year, maybe longer until it's possible to cycle on segregated infrastructure between Haymarket and Leith Walk. Depending on the outcome of Scottish government reporter deliberations.
That's assuming a new incoming Council administration doesn't cancel the project following elections next year.
Posted 3 years ago # -
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The most dangerous roads in Edinburgh are in and around the city’s New and Old Town areas and on the A900 between the city centre and Leith, according to recent research.
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I was about to post a rant about "this isn't how you measure road danger", but binned it. I'm really more concerned about the Chipwrapper referring to Leith Walk as the "A900 between the city centre and Leith".
(Yes, I'm sure it's just some recycled press release, but you would hope EEN journos might be familiar enough with the city to change that).
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@Morningsider, indeed. recycled to the point where they failed to realised Edinburgh was ranked 10 from 10. It was the safest city in the study and they somehow failed to notice it.
Looking at Carmoney's blog leaves more questions than it answers.
we thought we’d do our own bit of digging to see which out of the 10 most populous cities in the UK had the highest number of accidents over the last 10 years...
Here are all the accidents that have happened in the top 10 most populous cities in the UK over the last decade.They seem to be looking at the same area of each city, however no attempt has been made for population or size of road network so it is no surprise that London ranks top.
What is more surprising is that Manchester hasn't made an appearance on the list of 10 largest UK cities.
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Manchester missing?
Think it is third after London and Birmingham?
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About four weeks ago I was driving past a vacant unit in Roseburn
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But has anyone warned him he won’t get any customers if they can’t park outside?
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Presumably these are all illegally parked?
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Lots of “value engineering” being done to bring down the cost. The “urban realm” improvements on Melville Street are binned; precast concrete now to be used rather than stone elsewhere.
In other news, saw that a new florist is opening on the north side of Roseburn Terrace. Either unaware or unconcerned about the impending doom of the bike lane.
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@stickman, funny how the world keeps turning despite PG Tips
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@Stickman - I don't think that is a bad thing. Cycling and public realm projects in the UK are usually massively over specified. The important bit is reallocating road space, not using granite paviours that cost multiples of their concrete equivalents. I hope this is one take-away from the SfP programme, things can be done cheaply and quickly. The Dutch and Danish seem perfectly happy with tarmac and a regular concrete kerb for their cycle lanes. It's cheap, easy to install and maintain.
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Tend to agree with Morningsider here. Too many utterly useless "urban realm" projects with expensive paving that ends up all cracked by heavy vehicles parking on it. Better to go cheap and cheerful with lower maintenance and repair costs in the long term.
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@Morningsider/crowriver: concrete also has the added bonus of potentially upsetting those who didn’t want anything as vulgar or unsightly as a bike lane nearby. It will annoy all the right people. ;-)
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Rejuvanating Roseburn got 50% of what it asked which should be enough for it to be done alongside the CCWEL.
The refurbishment toilet block in Roseburn Park into a cafe was fully funded.
https://twitter.com/KateC_SNP/status/1408373860991442944?s=19
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Cafe should work The one at Flotterstone popular
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Overall, CCWEL still has to go through Finance committe in August and then contracts signed before work starting in the New Year.
We will get there but it is a long process. As a reminder, there is a Scottish Government consultation on whether the TRO process needs to change...
#JustSaying
https://www.transport.gov.scot/consultation/traffic-regulation-order-review-consultation/
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Still really annoyed the Rutland Sq branch and West End improvements have been binned. Lots of small things that make a massive difference like raised tables/continuous footways also scrapped.
Charlotte Sq/St Andrew Sq temporary protected layouts were also removed so we won't see improvements there till 2025, perhaps later. Yay.
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Yeah. Going to be a bit underwhelming once through Roseburn/Haymarket...
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A couple were also pictured stuck at a bus stop on Roseburn Terrace after being caught up in the floodwater.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-57718384
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@chdot - I checked this out at lunchtime, but by then the couple had been shifted.
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Site investigation works registered for September, October and November along the route. Wouldn’t be surprised if the start date slips into 2022 at this rate…
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Came across this interesting quote in the CCWEL Monitoring Report:
Some organisations expressed that they had originally supported the CCWEL, as they felt it
would provide a family-friendly cycle route into the city... however, they felt that the current proposal focuses
more on benefitting the economy by supporting commuter cyclists... rather than focusing on benefits for local residentsRoseburn cycle lanes for Roseburn people!
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Some organisations, how funny, that is Turf Bakerson only. He was obsessed with a route round behind the bins at Tesco that he thought was fantastic.
After the commute time the families would be using the route as happily as could be.
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Perhaps they're onto something and we should be looking at other routes behind Tesco's bins. There's the stub of the Blackhall Path leading to Cramond Road South, but there's a good set of Tesco bins behind Gibb's Entry in the shadowy pend by the bike racks. As Duke Street is far from pleasant, perhaps a signed NCN route could go through from Leith Walk to Easter Road through Crown Place and the Duke St Tesco car park, past the recycling area. Other shops also have routes by their bins, like the Stevenson Drive Sainsbury's broken glass hazard cut-through to Wheatfield Road/Dalry Road, and the neither-Tesco-nor-Edinburgh glass-recycling access point to the Dalmeny path at the Queen's Southferry Scotmid.
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@wingpig -You are unambitious in your thinking. The cut through the Stevenson Drive Sainsbury includes the poor surface of Wheatfield Road and there is no drop kerb to get to the bins and broken glass section. I would suggest going via Gorgie side car park, cycling through the supermarket and emerging on the Stevenson Road side. The surfaces there are very smooth.
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There’s a monitoring report on a cycle route which hasn’t been built yet?
Could we just build the damn thing?
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Yes these are the best Tesco and Sainsbury’s bins routes, the D Mains one often catches people out as it is a strong desire line. The murrayfield Sainsbury’s as they like to call it used to go mental with me using their shop as a cut through but I said it was on the Turf Bakerson cycling Bin Routes of Edinburgh
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1427009491468435456
"people who oppose local democracy"
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He meant people who point out lack of political appetite to make any changes that will stop them getting re-elected?
Elsewhere the Prof. A clever guy is exhorting use of helmets.
Sadly, he appears to be edging nearer to Turf Bakerson on my Venn diagram, the anti-cycling cycling campaigner of Roseburn.
Next Prof Scott will be producing a leaflet on all the great routes that take you through the supermarket bins.
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