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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!)

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  1. CycleAlex
    Member

    It seems Edinburgh isn't alone in massive AT project delays. Parts of Glasgow's South City Way are running ~4 years late.
    https://twitter.com/geomannie531/status/1456311174270705673

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. CycleAlex
    Member

    Works have been registered for the first bits of CCWEL construction. These will likely be the earliest possible dates:

    27/01/2022 W/B Carriageway and footway. From Roseburn Street to Magdala Crescent Roseburn Terrace, Wester Coates, Edinburgh

    01/02/2022 W/B Carriageway and footway. From Roseburn Gardens to Roseburn Street Roseburn Terrace

    11/02/2022 From Haymarket Terrace to Grosvenor/Landsdowne Crescents Rosebery Crescent

    11/02/2022 At Junction with Palmerston Place Grosvenor Crescent

    08/03/2022 From Roseberry Crescent to Palmerston Place Lansdowne Crescent

    15/03/2022 E/B Carriageway and footway. From Roseburn Street to Magdala Crescent Roseburn Terrace, Wester Coates, Edinburgh

    21/03/2022 From Roseberry Crescent to Palmerston Place Rosebery Crescent

    01/04/2022 E/B Carriageway and footway. From Roseburn Gardens to Roseburn Street Roseburn Terrace

    19/05/2022 E/B Carriageway and footway. From Murrayfield Gardens to Murrayfield Avenue

    06/07/2022 Closure of both carriageways with suitable diversion in place. From Abinger Gardens to Corstorphine Road. Murrayfield Gardens

    07/06/2022 Implement parking restrictions, maintain single footway with property access. Maintain single lane E/B for access. Establish W/B diversion. Murrayfield Place

    Getting there!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. CycleAlex
    Member

    Here we go...

    ROSEBURN TERRACE AREA
    Between Balbirnie Place and Murrayfield Avenue
    Balfour Beatty for City of Edinburgh Council - CCWEL
    construction (phase 1 of 3)
    Lane closures and contraflow, no right turn into Roseburn Street. Temporary crossing facilities, bus stops and loading bays as signed
    07/02/22 - Late March

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. HankChief
    Member

    Thanks @CycleAlex.

    A timely update that I was able to advise tonight's MCC.

    As a change from our usual agenda, tonight we had a significant number of people joining the meeting to sing and dance rather than talking roadworks... #FunTimes

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. MediumDave
    Member

    @CycleAlex Excellent, that'll ensure the Russell Road Rat Run is largely cut off for a bit, thanks to Bowmer and Kirkland's one way system at their site on Murieston Crescent and now the banned right turn into Roseburn Street.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    Yeah, they ought to keep the one-way at Murieston Crescent and widen the ridiculously narrow pavements. Jeez, the council could have even got the developer to pay for a modal filter and some placemaking, but hey ho

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. HankChief
    Member

    It is starting to get real...

    Lots of detailed traffic management plans have gone up on CEC's CCWEL website

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/ccwel/downloads/download/17/traffic-management-arrangements---section-1

    No right turn into Roseburn St / Russell Road will certainly make a difference during construction.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    The diversion they're signing is hilarous (no doubt with lots of nice "Diversion" signs blocking the footway.) It takes you all the way up to Haymarket, looping round the gyratory at Torphican St then all the way back the way you came.

    If I were a driver, I'd be doing a 3 point turn at Stanhope St., or ignoring the no-right-turn entirely...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. jonty
    Member

    A little loop round Wester Coates Road might end up being less hassle? Think at any remotely busy time the no right turn will be driver-behind-fury enforced!

    In practice, Balgreen Road would probably be the reasonable alternative for many.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. HankChief
    Member

    By jove, CCWEL is about to start construction...

    I was at a liaison meeting with the Council & Balfour Beatty last night and thought I'd share some key messages:

    * Construction has been planned to follow City Fibre work so that City Fibre go first and CCWEL provide the final finish to the street surfaces.

    * Traffic Management will retain 1 running lane in each direction but will require the banning of right turns into Roseburn St/Russell Road at Tescos. It was highlighted that during the Gas works we saw a number of vehicles attempting to turn right into Roseburn Gardens. They were going to look at what they could do to prevent this. (More detail on traffic management can be found here http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/ccwel/downloads/download/17/traffic-management-arrangements---section-1)

    * There will be no parking or loading on Roseburn Terrace, but they will install temporary Loading Bays on Roseburn Gardens, Roseburn Street, the north side of the Coltbridge & Wester Coates Terrace. These will be equipped with trolleys which local businesses / residents will be able to get the code to unlock. The project manager also stressed that his team will be visible and should be approached to help with any difficulties faced with moving stuff.

    * Bin collections will move to the side streets as per the loading bays and the project team will liaise with both residents and the council to ensure that this works smoothly.

    * The CCWEL website will be the main point of communication from the project team http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/ccwel/ and already has quite a bit of information on it. They will also do further leaflet drops ahead of moving to a new area. The best way to contact the project team is via email on ccwel@edinburgh.gov.uk

    * There will be a ‘Open for Business’ campaign to support local businesses which include a range of advertising to ensure people know the shops/businesses are still open during the construction phase.

    * Construction work starts on 7th February, with some of the project team on site next week to speak to businesses and residents

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Morningsider
    Member

    @HankChief - thanks for the update and, as ever, your apparently never to end campaigning on this.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. HankChief
    Member

    Corstorphine/Murrayfield has a new Conservative Councillor candidate. You'll never guess what he thinks of CCWEL...

    "Fair question. The scheme as it stands should have been replanned. We have to stop pitting road users against each other and recognise that most use different modes at different times. Pedestrians are esp exposed to poor infrastructure which is why this stretch needs sorting ASAP"

    https://twitter.com/HughFindlay_CM/status/1487148581974945807?t=MF5ljsKpf37zy5pJIdQQIA&s=19

    Nope. Me neither...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. HankChief
    Member

    Whoop whoop. Construction is starting.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RoseburnCycle/status/1490602342953201665

    Posted 11 months ago #
  14. LaidBack
    Member

    An amazing day for all those that have campaigned for this! Well done to @hankchief and everyone.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    @LaidBack absolutely agree.

    Obviously it has all taken MUCH longer than it should due a mixture of excessive need for consultation, some shameful and bizarre opposition and a degree of lack of ambition/willingness to change the (motorised) status quo too much.

    That said, recognition has to be given to the CEC officials who have progressed this AND had to deal directly with objections and objectors…

    After six years of this, plus Covid, plus COP26 and (some) increased awareness of ‘climate emergencies’, have things significantly improved for getting better walk/cycle provision, ‘lessons learned’ etc?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    “Work starts here on 07/02/2022 for 74 weeks

    74 weeks? That must be for the entire project surely? Have already seen people moaning about the work.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  17. MediumDave
    Member

    Yes, whole project. Road report says phase 1 on Roseburn Street completes in March.

    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/30577/4-february-2022

    The dates of the subsequent phases are not fully fixed yet but you can get info here:

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/ccwel/construction

    Posted 11 months ago #
  18. Stickman
    Member

    They never learn do they? Now all we are going to hear is “74 weeks and £10m for a tiny bit of bike lane at Roseburn”.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    Fantastic to see work begin

    We echo the thank-you's, but massive thanks also to @RoseburnCycle!!

    Easy to forget how nearly the project was
    neutered or even scrapped

    https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1490648499662299145

    Posted 11 months ago #
  20. HankChief
    Member

    @RoseburnCycle was very fortunate to quickly form a core group of committed locals who could see the importance both for the local area and the wider implications. The range of skills we had between us allowed us to work well together and acheive far more than we could have alone.

    And as 170 pages of discussion on here shows, we were invaluably supported by the wider cycling community.

    I'm not going to claim the final designs are perfect, but I reckon they are the best we could get through given the opposition we faced and they will definitely be a major step forward and hopefully will be a turning point for future scheme proposals.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  21. Rosie
    Member

    The 74 weeks thing is misleading. I saw it this morning in Roseburn and thought eh? Are we going to have this awful mess here for 74 weeks?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    “I'm not going to claim the final designs are perfect”

    Well realistically there can be no “perfect”. The extent to which ‘volunteers’ have changed/strengthened/improved things is highly commendable!

    “but I reckon they are the best we could get through given the opposition we faced”

    INDEED

    “and they will definitely be a major step forward and hopefully will be a turning point for future scheme proposals”

    Which of course remains a big unknown.

    Unlike SfP (which has had MANY of its own problems/issues!…) there is no mechanism (due to legislation/process) to learn/adapt during the building stage - or afterwards.

    This should not have to be a concern of campaigners, it ought, primarily, be an urgent consideration for SG, ESPECIALLY with the ‘20% less motor mileage’ commitment.

    Of course the recent SfP controversies may mean more heads stuck deeper in sand…

    Posted 11 months ago #
  23. HankChief
    Member

    Official ground breaking ceremony this morning with Cllr Mcinnes & Patrick Harvey.

    Great that it is underway.

    https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2022/02/works-begin-at-last-on-ccwel/

    Should be on STV news as well.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    Wee video as well - comments from Patrick Harvie and Lesley. Saw a distinctly shady character lurking in the background as well ;-)

    https://twitter.com/edinreporter/status/1491078899631259649?s=21

    I don’t know what time this was, but didn’t look like any trAFfIc cHaOs yet.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  25. HankChief
    Member

  26. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    I was on Facebook earlier and some objectors were saying it has been rushed through - 7 years!!

    Posted 11 months ago #
  27. HankChief
    Member

    STV piece was good.

    Catch it at 19.15 on STV+1

    Posted 11 months ago #
  28. Frenchy
    Member

    https://player.stv.tv/episode/48kx/stv-news-edinburgh

    Starts 14:20 or so in.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  29. Stickman
    Member

    I was along at Roseburn this lunchtime. Speedy progress so far: the island at the top of Roseburn Gardens has been ripped out, as has the south side pavement from the Tesco towards Balbirnie Place.

    I did laugh to myself when a few minutes later at Haymarket I saw PGTips on his bike cruise through the pedestrian crossing when it was at red for him.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  30. Morningsider
    Member

    @Stickman - he couldn't stop due to worries about imminent death from air pollution, now the protection offered by all the parked cars is no longer available.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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