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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!)

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  1. HankChief
    Member

    The sockets will just be on Roseburn Terrace to stop the enevitable cycle path parking...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. fimm
    Member

    Inevitable. (Sorry.)

    Surely it is inevitable that people will park on any available cycle way / pavement / whatever?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Ok…

    JUST been told -

    “Bollards will be in before opening”

    We’ll see - or not - shortly…

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. HankChief
    Member

    @finn - I thought it didn't look right. Thanks.

    @chdot - I've been pushing for the bollards to go in from the get go. I can't see a situation where it won't be abused without them.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    @ HC

    Good and yes.

    So, no sockets at the junction?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. HankChief
    Member

    Nope, but worth remembering that there will be 3 narrow lanes at this point so the Eastbound motor traffic will be tight up against the kerb line (vs. now with 2 wide lanes and the ability to approach the turn from a wide angle).

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Understand that, but there seems to be a long frontage with minimal kerb.

    Maybe I’m misleading myself by seeing it from above?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. HankChief
    Member

    The long frontage of dropped kerb at Wester Coates Terrace junction is what I was talking about above. It’s needed for the bin lorry sweep so can’t be bollarded.

    Can’t see many people would want to park there.

    Or have I misunderstood?.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. HankChief
    Member

    If you mean more generally along West Coates then there isn’t bollards apart from by the shops in Roseburn & Haymarket and a short section on Palmerston place

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    No, I mean AT the junction to control which line motors take.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. neddie
    Member

    You can be sure that people will park on the section between the kerb and the cycleway at that junction.

    "Just popping into Tescos for 5 minutes, mate" times 5 equals 5 white vans there...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. HankChief
    Member

    Did you have a sharpie with you?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    For?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

  16. HankChief
    Member

    For?

    You could have changed the "Terr" to "Rd" and it would be valid once again.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Ah!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. HankChief
    Member

  19. chdot
    Admin

    [list=1]“

    We have installed two new junctions at Roseburn and explain how to use them safely.

    Yes well but

    If you have to explain it

    AND put it on a web site that (almost) no one will see

    Door to door leaflet drop planned?

    BIG notice boards AT the junctions??

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. Arellcat
    Moderator

    If you have to explain it

    AND put it on a web site that (almost) no one will see

    https://twitter.com/talloplanic/status/1573597268007161856

    If it takes five paragraphs to explain how a road junction, cycle path and footway will operate, the design is not sufficiently safe.

    9:56 AM · Sep 24, 2022

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. Yodhrin
    Member

    Not sure I agree with that remark about explaning things tbh - the stubborn wilful ignorance of the average British driver isn't the council or designer's fault. Continuous footways for example are perfectly safe everywhere else, it's only here that drivers will barge across at speed regardless of all the obvious cues that they don't have priority. They don't keep up with the highway code, they get all their information about driving and road design from mouthbreathing tabloid outrage-merchants, and if they think about this kind of thing at all it's only to indignantly demand nothing changes and they don't have to learn anything new.

    That said, yeah a twitter post and the council website are insufficient. Boards at the site beyond simple give way signage(because apparently most drivers have forgotten how to read road markings) wouldn't be safe IMO, too big a distraction - it would be a crowning irony if a driver took out a cyclist at the junction because they were too focused on reading the sign explaining how not to run over cyclists at the junction :P

    The council should be putting articles in the local press and distributing leaflets in the post, and there should be a police presence for a few weeks after it opens to have a quiet word with anyone who gets it wrong(and actually penalize people they catch doing it more than once).

    Posted 2 months ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    “it would be a crowning irony if a driver took out a cyclist at the junction because they were too focused on reading the sign explaining how not to run over cyclists at the junction”

    Don’t worry, I wasn’t serious about suggesting actual information boards at the junctions.

    ‘Spose I shouldn’t have mentioned it, CEC might think it’s a good idea.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  23. HankChief
    Member

    Scott Arthur came to visit Roseburn today and refused to continue the meeting whilst PGtips was in the room. PG left and the meeting took place.

    Cue much ranting...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Was it about ‘compensation for the traders’?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  25. HankChief
    Member

    In part, yes.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    Saw PG Tips today on my cycle down to Carstairs.

    I had a lovely Apple cinnamon and raisin slice at the Apple pie Nakery of Carnwath too.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  27. Yodhrin
    Member

    PGtips?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  28. HankChief
    Member

    The chief sabre rattling cycle lane opponent has the initials PG, and has been referred to for years on this thread as PGtips to varying degrees of fondness...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  29. Rosie
    Member

    Scott Arthur came to visit Roseburn today and refused to continue the meeting whilst PGtips was in the room. PG left and the meeting took place.

    Cue much ranting...

    Cripes!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  30. Dave
    Member

    Baller move. Just when you think you've got the good councillor down, he surprises you!

    Posted 2 months ago #

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