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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL

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  • Started 8 years ago by SRD
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  1. gembo
    Member

    I am digging out the waterproofs to support Rurigdh as he is a lovely guy though ignored me yesterday (he was on a phone call)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    Isn't it next week? the invite I got said wed 20 march?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Good shout @srd

    Also a Wednesday?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Never mind the rain, I’ve seen wider and less lumpy millraces than that bidirectional abomination

    And why does this hand-rolled wavepark tarmac nonsense KEEP HAPPENING? I wrote to CEC weeks ago to complain about the Russell Road surface and explain the problems, and they never even acknowledged me.

    Who is signing off this work as "OK"? Is anyone in authority even testing it before opening?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. SF
    Member

    @Arellcat
    Glad it's not just me that thinks that. As well as Russell Rd., a recent trip up the WoL to Spylaw had me thinking it had been done with an eccentric roller.
    It's as easy to do a good job as a bad one, do Clerks of Works even exist anymore??

    Rant over.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. chrisfl
    Member

    It's particualrly stark on West Coates where the freshly laid road is smooth as a mirror and yet this isn't the case for the cycle path; it seemed to be a very manual process Edinburgh CCWEL Laying tarmac by Chris Fleming

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Useful pic!

    When was it actually taken?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    While back, that is all open now

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. chrisfl
    Member

    That one was taken back in January.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks

    Hand crafted should last longer(!?)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  11. CycleAlex
    Member

    Most of the A8 section is machine laid but presumably the unit is too large for the compromised sections like Haymarket Terrace which is 2m at points.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  12. Dave
    Member

    A quick google suggests you can get machines that will lay quality surface as narrow as 80cm

    Posted 1 month ago #
  13. neddie
    Member

    2 metres!? I can't believe it's even that wide...

    <runs away to get tape measure>

    Posted 1 month ago #
  14. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I feel my FOI fingers twitching at the prospect of the question about clerks of works and project quality sign-off.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    “I feel my FOI fingers twitching“

    Go for it!

    Posted 1 month ago #
  16. HankChief
    Member

    Reminder of the launch event tomorrow ( Wednesday) including a massed ride at 12.30 from Roseburn to Haymarket.

    https://twitter.com/Edinburgh_CC/status/1770074811571552302?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    “ride will begin at Old Coat Bridge“

    Ok…

    Posted 1 month ago #
  18. bakky
    Member

    CALLING NOTICE: City Centre West to East Link official opening

    You are invited to send a reporter/photographer/film crew to capture the launch of the recently completed City Centre West to East Link (CCWEL) walking, wheeling and cycling route.

    What: Minister for Active Travel Patrick Harvie MSP will join Edinburgh’s Transport and Environment Convener, Councillor Scott Arthur, community members and other stakeholders to celebrate the completion of CCWEL. This high quality, safe and dedicated walking, wheeling and cycling route connects Roseburn to Leith Walk via Haymarket and the West End. The launch will include a group ride involving pupils from local primary schools, which will arrive in Haymarket in time for the photo opportunity, where they will be welcomed by a performance by St Mary’s Music School pupils.

    When: 1pm, Wednesday 20 March

    Where: Haymarket Terrace, outside Four Points by Sheraton Hotel, Edinburgh, EH12 5LQ

    Who: Councillor Scott Arthur, Transport and Environment Convener; Patrick Harvie, Minister for Zero Carbon Buildings, Active Travel and Tenants' Rights; Karen McGregor, Director of Sustrans; project partner representatives from Balfour Beatty, Aecom and Anturas; and community council members.

    LATEST NEWS: City Centre West to East Link officially opened

    A landmark scheme to transform walking, wheeling and cycling between the east and west of the city will officially open on Wednesday (20 March).

    Members of the community will join Councillor Scott Arthur, Transport and Environment Convener; Patrick Harvie, Minister for Zero Carbon Buildings, Active Travel and Tenants' Rights; and other stakeholders in Haymarket to celebrate the momentous occasion, following the completion of the City Centre West to East Link (CCWEL).

    FULL PRESS RELEASE TO FOLLOW PHOTO CALL

    Posted 1 month ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    "ride will end at Haymarket"

    Ok...

    (so not really a 'link' then)

    and let's face it, it gets a bit crappy as it jinks round various one-way back streets, the odd cathedral and alleyway complete with cars trying to park, then along an overengineered and incomplete Melville St (only really needed a filter on that street, not a multi-lane junction onto Queensferry), then across ancient cobbly rounded setts, then another dim back alley, then no clear marked way around 3-sides-of-a-square, then onto a massive car park street...

    So all in all a bit pish

    Posted 1 month ago #
  20. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    “round various one-way back streets”

    If you’re talking about Grosvenor and Lansdowne Crescents, neddie, I think both are officially 2-way for all traffic (unless something has recently changed). Customary use does appear to be one-way.

    I cycled the whole route for the first time eastbound the other day - rather lost the plot after the cathedral, was halfway down Melville St before it dawned on me I was ‘salmoning’ - still have no idea what the official route is to the lane on the north side. Then the forced cobbles in Randolph Place… And the beg buttons at the cathedral still grovel excessively to the great god of ‘real traffic’ flow

    Lest this sound like excessive airing of grievances, well done to all those involved for getting anything built in TiEland…

    Posted 1 month ago #
  21. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    One further point - after recent resurfacing on the east side of Charlotte Sq, it is now No Right Turn for all northbound traffic into George St (the old island with lights is gone). There’s a placky bollarded lane on the square side (unmarked so unclear whether this is two- or one-way for cycling).

    All this might be a reasonable idea if the pedestrian crossing (for there are no cycle lights) had a workable priority but of course it doesn’t. This is Edinburgh indeed

    Posted 1 month ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    Weather still wet as per CHDot forecast for last Wednesday but less so

    Posted 1 month ago #
  23. HankChief
    Member

    Signs and banners up on the route :)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Complete with ironic comment -

    Posted 1 month ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    Good to see many CCE folk there today. I then cycled on and everything worked all the way to Work. The bollards at Charlotte sq east do look like a cycle lane to the unwary

    Posted 1 month ago #
  26. Stickman
    Member

    Good turnout and nice to see some familiar faces. Took the opportunity to support a local business and got some excellent coffee from Hordeum while waiting in the cold/wet.

    As well as Patrick Harvie and Scott Arthur, also saw Green councillors Chas Booth and Jule Bandel (and former councillor Nigel Bagshaw) and Christopher Cowdy from the Tories. None of the three LibDem councillors for the area were there.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    A council spokesperson said the George Street section of CCWEL “will follow once designs and legal processes have been completed, adding: "The existing National Cycle Network route runs along George Street. CCWEL has always intended to connect to George Street, and still delivers an enormous improvements in provision of quality active travel infrastructure in the city centre with George Street in its current layout.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20240320050606/https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburghs-city-centre-west-to-east-link-cycle-route-opens-with-key-george-street-section-missing-4561575

    Posted 1 month ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Bit optimistic to suggest ‘complete apart from George Street’.

    Various people said today ‘well it could have been done better, but at least…’

    In view of the actual state of it, it’s perhaps surprising that there was an official event today.

    Less surprising that the event was at the west end of Haymarket.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    Details are important.

    In an hour or so today I saw too many ‘interactions’ between drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. Mostly due to drivers not stopping/giving way when/where they should.

    One taxi driver thought he'd done enough by giving way to a couple of pedestrians that he moved onto the cycle lanes causing a bike rider to do an emergency stop.

    Early days…

    Posted 1 month ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Spot the person who did more than most to make sure this happened.

    Posted 1 month ago #

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