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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL

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  1. neddie
    Member

    Madder than a box of frogs!

    Or should we say, “madder than an Edinburger bike lane”?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    I think they were resurfacing the road anyway and have decided to make some minor improvements to the cycleway at the same time - they mention drainage on the information page as well.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks

    Still seems odd and inadequately coordinated.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    The workie using the stencil also had Khorsakov shakes?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  5. CycleAlex
    Member

    This is part of work to rectify defects by the contractor. The red surfacing opposite the Haymarket Yards junction had some bad grooves in it which is presumably why it was relaid.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    Stantec seem to be doing a bike count survey on CCWEL at Donaldsons, and at Haymarket, and at the Dalry colonies

    Posted 6 months ago #
  7. cb
    Member

    Dunno if this has been shared already, but in this 'Active Towns' YouTube video Emilia Hannah from Sustrans gives a tour of some Edinburgh infrastructure including the CCWEL.

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    Some interesting "this is a bit hairy", "this is a bit grim", and "how do we get over there" moments.

    This is part 2 of 4. In episode 4 we get to see Leith Walk which Emilia seems to be genuinely proud about. They get a mostly clear run it has to be said.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    Is the pavement on the East side of Gibson Tce shared-use?

    Posted 4 months ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    My morning commute. I recognise those dugs. It all looks lovely..

    Though today I took the towpath they other way to Falkirk all festooned with leaves The three mile town swans BOSSING it,

    Also NCN75 or NCNR75 - i dont care butSustrans ? She does mention Route later on

    Also Union Canalgooes to Falkirk - all paved, there is then a connection to Forth andnClyde Canal [with some detours last year that might be fixed now]. Surface good.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  10. CycleAlex
    Member

    A mere nine months after officially being opened, the cycleway through Melville Crescent is complete. It does look good, although I’d suggest it’s a questionable use of several £m for AT.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    Good news, there wasa. Fortnight when it was all working then they spent a new cache of cash closing it for 9 months but now can be off road again til George Streeet. Thought the cycle lane at Charlotte Sq is only on the West side and the opposite side has been reclaimed by parking which i disagree with but. Will try the west side to see if it lets me across at the lights instead of pushing into the traffic.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    @balfourbeatty @Edinburgh_CC The 6 months project at Melville Street/Walker Street has totally flooded as Balfour Beaty blocked all the drains with works rubble and didn’t clear them. Basement flats now being threatened by flood water. Please come as an emergency!

    https://x.com/Se1Banksider/status/1874415193310240973

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    FFS

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. Colonies_Chris
    Member

    Predictably, Living Streets Edinburgh are using this as an opportunity to complain about the existence of the cycleway.

    https://x.com/LivingStreetsEd/status/1874751798323630303

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    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Interesting to see SA getting the ‘blame’.

    Though I’m sure he took the credit…

    Agree. This Melville Street work wasn't even needed, it wasn't broke and it didn't need fixing. It was some kind of city vanity project, preening the ego of the former CEC T&E Convenor, Scott Arthur. Drainage...the irony eh !

    https://x.com/PWMartin_Leith/status/1874778766725337123

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. neddie
    Member

    Melville Street has been massively over-engineered to allow continued through-traffic. It could have been "fixed" with a simple, low-cost filter at the Queensferry St end, to prevent rat-running, and the removal of the median parking.

    That would have also simplified the Queensferry St junction, allowing better "flow" for buses!

    As it is, Chester St and Drumsheugh Gardens still need a filter

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. Stickman
    Member

    @neddie

    And, as was repeatedly said during the design phase, a proper cycle network would have taken the direct route to the city centre rather than along back streets and down alleyways to go via Melville Street.

    And, as with Leith Walk, Spokes/cyclists are getting the blame despite pointing out all these issues from day one. Run the council/get whatever they want etc etc etc.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. neddie
    Member

    Exactly, @stickman

    but... but... "we have to have 2 filter lanes on Clifton Tce / Atholl Pl because FLOW!", and because we haven't removed the massive amount of through-traffic going along Queen St or Lothian Rd.

    1 of those filter lanes could easily be a bidirectional* segregated cyclelane

    *although I don't approve of bidirectional lanes, except in exceptional circumstances, however this is one case where it could be

    Posted 2 months ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    Elsewhere

    The 77-week project to create cycleways and pedestrian spaces has now passed the halfway stage.

    “We will continue to focus on the flow of traffic through Arbroath using one-way systems and local diversions, over temporary traffic lights.”

    A Place for Everyone is being jointly funded by Sustrans and Angus Council.

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/angus-mearns/5158379/arbroath-harbour-place-for-everyone-changes

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Rosebery Cres @scottishwater.bsky.social close Jan 20->

    Zero mention #CCWEL of bikes despite official #roadworks guidance

    We've asked @edinburghcouncil.bsky.social to act

    https://bsky.app/profile/spokes.org.uk/post/3lfxge2gcgs2a

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. Stickman
    Member

    Post-implementation monitoring report going to the Transport Committee

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s79523/7.2%20-%20CCWEL_Street%20Improvements_Continuous%20Footway%20Monitoring.pdf

    Posted 2 months ago #
  22. HankChief
    Member

    Just the 335 pages then...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    Might be all you need to read…

    2. Executive Summary

    2.1 Interim post-construction monitoring for the City Centre West to East Cycle Link and Street Improvements (CCWEL) project has been undertaken six months after its completion. Compared to pre-implementation monitoring undertaken in 2020 and 2021, there is evidence that the street improvements have resulted in increased numbers of people cycling, increased pedestrian satisfaction with the local environment, improved perceptions of safety among pedestrians and cyclists, positive impacts for local businesses through increased footfall and a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions associated with travel due to mode shift for some journeys from car/van to bike.

    2.2 Some challenges and residual issues have been identified, around potential impacts on vulnerable road users and traffic changes in certain areas.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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