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  1. Stephan Matthiesen
    Member

    "Seems it's designed to encourage people to drive between shops."

    Even if you park "in front" of a shop, it's farther to walk into the shop than from Roseburn Place to Roseburn Terrace. How come they don't all go bankrupt if people have so far to walk?

    It's actually not bad for bicycles. Good off-road connection to the Innocent Path, and while there are a lot of cars on the car park, speeds are rarely above 10mph. They installed bike racks at various shops (blue dots on Open Streetmap) though not everywhere, but you can cycle nicely between shops (though the only shop I go to is B&Q, the others don't seem to have anything useful).

    Actually the car park is ideal for learning to cycle in traffic. There are enough junctions and cars from all directions but all very slow, ideal training ground.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  2. newtoit
    Member

    The car park is awful, a visit to Fort Kinnaird on a Saturday is pure mayhem. Despite living in SE Edinburgh, we'll tend to go to Livingston instead.

    It would be handy if Newcraighall station was a bit closer and more accessible.

    Cycled out a few times and it is fairly easy until you leave the Innocent - mind you I'd never spotted that off road connection before! Also never notices that many racks but maybe looking in the wrong places.

    Once there I'm not sure about driving from shop to shop - when you have a parking space you cling on to it for dear life...

    Posted 8 years ago #

  3. wingpig
    Member

    As I get a bit faffy about locking I tend to find a secure place to lock and then walk from place to place, unless I've had a child on a seat and a split visit between shop shops and B&Q. It once took about five minutes to get from the McDonalds side of the roundabout to Wickes/B&Q - the traffic was thick, but never quite thick enough to clog, so with the impaired acceleration and greater fragility of a child on the back I had to wait for a gap.
    Can anyone remember if there was any official pedestrian crossing between the Fort bit and Kinnaird bit before they officially merged?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  4. paulmilne
    Member

    Sorry, what has Fort Kinnaird got to do with the West End cycle provision plans? A bit off topic innit?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  5. wingpig
    Member

    You can't buy a washing machine on Roseburn Terrace.
    You could get a pram from Costorphine, though.

    The line of one subset of EEN commenters for years has been that the inability to park on Princes Street ≡ everyone forced to drive to Fort Kinnaird or MacArthur Glen ≡ THE 'ANTI-CAR' 'CLOWNCIL' IS STRANGLING THE CITY AAARRGFROTH. This would presumably increase the number of people needing to brave between six and forty speeding lycra-clad zealots an hour to get to the bus stop to get on a bus which is then prevented (by the absence of a bus lane) from quickly getting to an out-of-town shopping nightmarium which will soon the only source of not-closed-down shops, even if you only need a pint of milk or some second-hand dog ornaments or whatever else Roseburn Terrace currently provides.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  6. Min
    Member

    Sorry, what has Fort Kinnaird got to do with the West End cycle provision plans? A bit off topic innit?

    I assumed because it was to do with shopping and what the public apparently want.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  7. Stickman
    Member

    You could get a pram from Costorphine, though.

    Surely not possible: that shop doesn't have parking or loading directly in front of the door.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  8. cb
    Member

    "MacArthur Glen". Livingstone Designer Outlet now, dontyouknow.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  9. chdot
    Admin

    "Sorry, what has Fort Kinnaird got to do with the West End cycle provision plans? A bit off topic innit?"

    Thread drift is a CCE speciality...

    The point is that whatever the troubles of the retailers in Roseburn the 'threat' of a cycle lane/reduced illegal parking is not their primary problem.

    In these days of 'shopping' people seem to want 'brands' and 'destinations' and 'niche'/'specialist'.

    If the Roseburn shops are 'local', most customers will be walking.

    If they rely on 'passing trade' stopping, they would be better off trying to attract people who ride bikes...

    Posted 8 years ago #

  10. steveo
    Member

    We got the cot bed for the ladie from there, get this, they delivered it! Worse than that we walked up to visit the store!!

    Posted 8 years ago #

  11. cb
    Member

    Part of the process of buying a pram (Leith Pram Centre for us) seems to be the bit where they say, "now we should check that it fits into your boot".

    Posted 8 years ago #

  12. cb
    Member

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/comment-convenience-gives-shopping-centres-an-edge-1-4036377

    "
    Until it is easier or cheaper to park in the city centre or zip in and out on an express bus or tram, the out-of-town venues are going to provide some tough competition.
    "

    Posted 8 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

    "we walked"

    But, but, The Internet would have delivered and you wouldn't have had to bother with that exercise...

    Posted 8 years ago #

  14. Stickman
    Member

    "In these days of 'shopping' people seem to want 'brands' and 'destinations' and 'niche'/'specialist"

    That's what struck me on Sunday. Roseburn was deserted. Walk down the WoL and Stockbridge was buzzing. A combination of the market, lots of good cafes/pubs and some interesting niche shops.

    Roseburn is unlikely to get as busy as Stockbridge, but its current strategy certainly isn't working.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  15. steveo
    Member

    But, but, The Internet

    Its that kind of Commy talk that puts local business owners, pillars of the community, hard working, tax paying, car driving, people out of business. Next you'll be suggesting we encourage people to cycle to these places instead of just driving past and thinking "wow isn't it great that these shops still exist".

    Posted 8 years ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    Think there was something on the Murrayfield CC website about the idea of a market by the old bridge.

    Don't know if anyone is progressing the plan.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  17. LivM
    Member

    The shops in Roseburn are mostly not the sort one wanders into to browse. One antique/bric a brac shop, the others are mostly service businesses (cleaners, beauty, takeaway, dentist, optician, computer repair). A couple of classy charity shops, a gift shop (nb card shop just closed down) etc would make it much more attractive to slow shoppers down. Maybe some of the empty units could be utilised for this.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  18. cb
    Member

    "The shops in Roseburn are mostly not the sort one wanders into"

    Perhaps we need a Boromir-meme poster - "One does not simply wander into the shops at Roseburn"...

    Posted 8 years ago #

  19. wingpig
    Member

    "Part of the process of buying a pram (Leith Pram Centre for us) seems to be the bit where they say, 'now we should check that it fits into your boot'."

    I was more worried about the "can I walk along normally at normal speed without kicking the occupant or accidentally putting on the brake?" thing. Even at the Mothercare at motorist utopia Hermiston Gait we had to plead to be permitted to see if buggies fitted in the car.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  20. acsimpson
    Member

    Having bought a pram, cot and nursery unit from them I have never had a problem with Corstorphine pram centre helping you with loading in the loading bay round the corner. Are you not also allowed to load outside their front door outside of peak car hours?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  21. steveo
    Member

    "can I walk along normally at normal speed without kicking the occupant or accidentally putting on the brake?"

    Yeah that was harder than you might think, getting the buggy in the car wasn't really a worry till we got the mini!

    Posted 8 years ago #

  22. Stephan Matthiesen
    Member

    EEN: $1m Dalry Road bridge proposal released

    Posted 8 years ago #

  23. Stickman
    Member

    Cafe Vigo don't understand how parking restrictions work. The Facebook page for their new Corstorphine branch says that there is parking in a car park and also on-street.

    The car park belongs to The White Lady and is for their customers only.

    The bays in front of the new cafe are loading only, just like at Roseburn Terrace.

    I'm tempted to pop in to point this out to them.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  24. gembo
    Member

    That is what we need, promotion of illegal parking all the way from roseburn to corstorphine to help all the businesses

    Posted 8 years ago #

  25. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    I do my bit to keep it legit at the West end of SJR!

    Posted 8 years ago #

  26. acsimpson
    Member

    @stickman, to be fair the page simply says "Parking Street and Car park"
    This is presumably selected from a list of options facebook.

    There is a car park opposite them at Sainsburys which there customers would I think be allowed to use. There is also short term Saturday parking directly outside their shop and plenty of on street parking within 2 minutes walk of their cafe.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  27. ih
    Member

    I was at Roseburn Terrace yesterday evening so stopped for 15 minutes between 6.15pm and 6.30pm. Here are a few random observations. Bear in mind this is when the Greenway is in operation, so there should be no stopping for any reason.

    1. At no time was the road free of parked cars in either direction. On the south side 7 cars stopped at the Indian takeaway and at Scotmid effectively closing off the inside lane for its whole length. On the north side there was 1 car parked for the whole time - one of the proprietors I think.

    2. The larger proportion of traffic was heading East rather than West, which surprised me. Most of the eastbound traffic (2/3) turned right into Roseburn Street, and most of that then turned into Russell Road, prompting inconclusive thoughts as to what the typical journey was.

    3. Just before the NEPN bridge opposite Tesco, there's an old tarmacced road that goes up to the level of the path. It's easily cyclable, I did it, and would be the ideal way of getting on and off the NEPN path and linking to the planned segregated track.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  28. cb
    Member

    @ih

    I passed through at about 5.40pm ish and there was a single car on the north side, no sign of any owner. Small blue car as I recall - same one you saw? I think it was just outside the Turkish Barbers.

    Two or three cars on the south side at that point.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  29. ih
    Member

    @cb Yep, that's the one. I wanted to spare his blushes; don't know why!

    Posted 8 years ago #

  30. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    @ih, did you notice a meeting going on in the Roseburn Cafe? I cycled through about 1825 and there was a gathering in there with one chap standing talking. I don't know what Gregson looks like without his comedy helmet and hi-viz, but had a feeling it was him.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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