Bit of a Goldilocks moment from our friend:
Roseburn Terrace is not wide enough for a cycle path
But
Roseburn Terrace is too wide for a one stage crossing.
Presumably there's a width that is just right?
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Posted 8 years ago #
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I was much heartened by Cllr Burns' solid support for, and pride in, Edinburgh's efforts to reduce car use and promote walking, cycling, public transport.
If he was my councillor I'd vote for him. :-)
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As for PG KNS: liar, liar, pants on fire!
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@Stickman - when the traffic refuge was discussed at MCC I did point out that the cyclepath plans would provide a crossing at this point.
There was a request for some funding to get an architect to design such a refuge ready for proposing to the Council. It was pointed out that they should await the outcome of the cycle path first...
Posted 8 years ago # -
Any idea which business isn't taking up its new lease, as mentioned by Jeremy Balfour today in the council meeting?
Posted 8 years ago # -
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“Coming back to Edinburgh has actually been really fascinating, since filming the first Trainspotting. Edinburgh has changed dramatically.
“You can see the gentrification massively in the city.”
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http://m.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/shooting-of-trainspotting-2-movie-begins-1-4059303
Must be all those trendy cyclists taking over our roadspace.
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I didn't realise that the West End Community Council exists and that it also is objecting to the plans:
New cycle paths - the submission has been put in and followed up by GW. Many are up in arms about this and have signed a petition, but there is also a petition for the whole thing to go ahead. We have complained. However, although the whole thing is unwarranted and expensive, we do still support cycling. RO commented that there is no guarantee that cyclists will use the path, as they just cycle where they want. They are unlikely to cycle a longer distance just to stay off main roads.
That's right: we just cycle where we want.
http://www.edinburghwestendcc.org.uk/uploads/downloads/minutes/minutes%2020160202.pdf
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"They are unlikely to cycle a longer distance just to stay off main roads."
There we have it - the case against the Haymarket Yards route!!!
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"That's right: we just cycle where we want."
Isn't that the main point of owning a bike, or a car for that matter?
They're meant to be a community council, representing the community, right? Why are their statements worded to imply cyclists aren't part of their community?
Posted 8 years ago # -
What a bunch of reactionary conservatives on the West End CC! It's not just cyclists who are in their sights. Pedestrians too have to be penned in behind "anti-jaywalking" railings, and herded together so they can cross roads together, and quickly. And anyone caught begging has to be moved on, an Afro [sic] Caribbean man comes in for particular mention.
They might be representative of their own mini-conservative world but they're not representative, nor representing, their community at large.
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gosh. you're right. they are charmers.
"Cllr JM to investigate why anti-jaywalking fence was removed at St John’s Church Princes Street. Still Outstanding – originally taken down because of trams but not put back"
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"railing is less important than the number of people, which is now getting dangerous"Posted 8 years ago # -
Of course, jaywalking doesn't exist in the UK as a offense (other than Northern Ireland, so perhaps I should have said GB).
With all due respect to those CCErs who sit on one (thank you for your Sisyphean struggles), I feel I must paraphrase Groucho Marx - many of those who would wish to sit on a community council are, by and large, exactly the sort of people one wouldn't want to have on an allegedly representative council. An idea that is long past its sell-by date IMO.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@murun, my local cc would bite the arm off anyone under 64 who asked to join. The chap who runs it is about 50 and very reasonable. The work is tedious and unrewarding. But what is the way to represent your community? On line is clearly hi jacked by small groups of unrepresentative eccentrics who then go out and misrepresent issues to drum up signatures. So what is the way to d it that would involve a broader range of talents and viewpoints?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Do community councils still exist? My dad was on one in the eighties. I seriously thought they'd died out. Does every area have one?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Who knew?
gilmertoninchcc.org.uk seems to have lapsed. I wonder who they were and what they did? Archeologists could perhaps be despatched?
Posted 8 years ago # -
the really sad thing is that JM ought to know that it was taken down for hogmanay (not trams) and that removing it is council policy.
hopefully poor reporting rather than her failing to explain...
Posted 8 years ago # -
Well she wasn't at that meeting so maybe she hasn't actually reported back about it being policy. Always easy to blame the trams!...
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Apologies and welcome
Apologies were received from Marco Biagi MSP, Sarah Boyack MSP, Cameron Buchanan MSP, Cllr. Joanna Mowat, Cllr. Alasdair Rankin, Cllr. Karen Doran, Colin Johnston."
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Back home they have even stranger Parish Councils. My dad had dealings with them in his second-last job and briefly after he retired and often mutters darkly thereof.
Posted 8 years ago # -
This is the tack to take with our politicians. Most of them seem to see themselves as middle managers in a business anyway.
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OT East Edinburgh Local Politics...
Portobello has a fairly active community council, it's always been a hotbed of activism and NIMBYism anyway, but the long running school debacle whipped things up no end - there was actually an election for CC membership last time as so many people wanted to join. The main reason for this rush of candidates was a desire to boot out the majority of the incumbents who were widely seen as only representing their own self interests. Current hot topic is the resurfacing of Brighton Place - asphalt vs. setts.
Meanwhile, the neighbouring Northfield and Willowbrae CC was resurrected a year or two back and did some pretty useful stuff before being effectively shut down by a vociferous gang of green inkers, who turned up at meetings and made then untenable. For reasons I don't fully understand, this gang was primarily PPAG* members and a couple of the former (long standing) Portobello Community Councillors who were booted out, or possibly jumped out before they were booted, when there was an election.
* PPAG - Portobello Park Action Group - those opposing the building of the new high school on Portobello Park.
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From IWRATS' link:
“That’s a really important lesson in many, many cities: you don’t have to have the most visionary mayor, you don’t have to have a billion-dollar budget, you don’t have to have years and years of modelling. Just by adapting the space that’s there you can make a huge difference."It's a really good article - worth a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the detail of this one?
Although it is pertinent to the Roseburn shops issue:
“For so long the way we measured transportation, the way we measured our streets, had been about the flow of traffic, how fast was traffic going, which ignores all the other ways a street is used."Posted 8 years ago # -
"It's a really good article - worth a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the detail of this one?"
Yes
Posted 8 years ago # -
Was going to start a CC thread, but probably worth revisiting this one -
Community Councils and Cyclists
Posted 8 years ago # -
Very striking image and really hammers it home. Would be interesting to see how many "bypass" NEPN commuters there are.
Have they ever considered going via Inverleith Park? Mostly on roads, but mostly quiet.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Tbh, I ride from Leith Links to Edinburgh College at Bankhead drive and I'm not sure it'd be much faster going through town due to big hil (leith Walk) and traffic lights and general impatient
trafficdriver misery.7 minutes (at least) quicker going the other way, mind.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Mobility & Access Committee 's response to the plans:
Some design points raised but nothing that says the segregated route shouldn't go ahead. Taxi rank at Haymarket is one sticking point.
The "issue" with Copenhagen-junctions can be attributed to driver behaviour (as always), although they don't seem to understand presumed liability.
Posted 8 years ago # -
This evening there was a chap standing with his bike at the top of Roseburn Gardens looking purposefully and intently along Roseburn Terrace.
As I passed I starting thinking: is he one of us? Is he one of the opposition?
More likely he was just waiting for someone.
This whole consultation process is making me suspicious of everything. Need to get back to enjoying my bike rides, but every time I pass through there......
Posted 8 years ago # -
@stickman Don't let the NIMBYs bring you down! It's scientifically proven that people who ride bikes live longer and also have much more fun in the process ;)
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