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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Nottingham has been doing much more work with employers than most cities over many years.

    http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/cycling

    http://transport2.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/cycle/corridor-west.aspx

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. Roibeard
    Member

    The simple fact is that the council doesn't have much obligation towards individual shopkeepers and their business models.

    However a concerted programme of civil disobedience (parking and loading illegally) by shopkeepers has produced fruit in the form of the council (allegedly) legalising said loading and parking on the Quality Bike Corridor...

    So it isn't always obvious where the "balance" of obligations lie!

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Firedog
    Member

    Yes, the right-turn phase is very short and usually results in cars jumping the lights.

    That's being generous. I cycle that route every morning, and I can't remember the last time I didn't see a car jump the red lights.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    "I can't remember the last time I didn't see a car jump the red lights."

    That's just the new normal for the DILLIGAF generation.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. Rosie
    Member

    Dead cycling signpost pointing up the slalom on Russell Road.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1111521848893226&id=169099526468801

    Who killed it?

    Furious anti cycle route person?
    Furious pro cycle route person who is sick of having the slalom presented as a good commuter route?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. Min
    Member

    Poor beleaguered driver who is a victim of poor situational awareness from the sign?

    I like the comment underneath though!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Stickman
    Member

    I was in Glasgow today so took the opportunity to see the Bearsway. While it's not perfect it is a big step in the right direction. No delays caused by it; just down the road however was a huge queue for cars turning into the Asda.

    Similar outraged protests against it as Roseburn.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. Pete Gregson now campaigns for whistleblowers in the NHS: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14364368.Campaigner_bids_for_whistleblowing_hotline_with_investigatory_teeth/

    On the face of it, it sounds reasonable and I may have been inclined to sign this petition. But knowing PG's distortions and misinformations in the Roseburn affair, I'm highly suspicious if this is again based on some personal grudge. The article doesn't give me a real picture of existing NHS complaint procedures. And I'm put off by the fact that 5 of the 6 comments to the article are by PG himself, rambling and moaning about how the Government's webteam is trying to make it difficult for him but that he's "going to sit at reception and protest until they fix it".

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "he's "going to sit at reception and protest until they fix it"."

    Much better use of his time than annoying the good citizens of Roseburn.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    The whistleblower thing is his original, long running campaign. Originally in relation to local authorities I seem to recall.

    "I'm highly suspicious if this is again based on some personal grudge"

    Reading between the lines of how this whistleblower campaign started out, and somehow it seems PG lost his council post at some point during the campaign, I'd say that's a fair assumption.

    I suppose there has to be some individual motivation to keep going like this for so long. As the saying goes "the personal is political".

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    Ah now, you can flip that whistle blowing on its head. Just because yer man is behind it does not mean it is a bad thing? Blowing whistles I mean.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Morningsider
    Member

    It doesn't matter how many people sign a petition to the Scottish Parliament. They will consider a petition with just one signature - that of the proposer. I don't think petitions with lots of signatures are given any special consideration.

    I do quite like the idea of him sitting at the reception of an entirely empty building though.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    He'll be starting a protest camp in Holyrood Park next.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    "Just because yer man is behind it does not mean it is a bad thing? Blowing whistles I mean."

    Indeed not.

    "He'll be starting a protest camp in Holyrood Park next."

    I recall feeling vicarious embarrassment a few months ago as I surveyed that shambles and the mess they'd made of the grass with motor vehicles.

    "I do quite like the idea of him sitting at the reception of an entirely empty building though."

    It would be almost poetic.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Stickman
    Member

    Three new temporary CCTV cameras have appeared: two outside the Roseburn Bar (one looking west and the other down Roseburn Street) and another looking along Roseburn Place.

    At least they should provide an accurate picture of traffic.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    "At least they should provide an accurate picture of traffic."

    Also illegal parking? Sorry I meant "loading".

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    PG's whistleblowing concerns may or may not be related to this -

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/fraud-whistleblower-hunted-down-like-a-wild-animal-1-4077693

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. Stickman
    Member

    Perhaps the terrible congestion and pollution affecting the area would be alleviated if locals didn't drive the mile from Roseburn to Dalry to attend the Spokes hustings.

    Yes, our favourite cyclist didn't cycle that short distance but took his car.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    Possibly because there's no safe, segregated cycle route to get there? :-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. gembo
    Member

    @stickman, interesting point. I would assume bike, bus and walking would be dominant ways spokes folks use to get to their meetings. Maybe a few people get a lift and are dropped off and hopefully only a couple drive and park a car? I.e. The opposite order for most other meetings that occur.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. acsimpson
    Member

    Don't forget that the 6000 it so local residents will be unable to use the shops if 3 parking spacesare removed. A mile is presumably a long journey for our Spokes most recent member.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Stickman
    Member

    Another dull video showing how the cycle lane would cause traffic chaos and businesses to fail.

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    Riding through Haymarket and the West End outside my normal commuting time this morning I was struck by just how little traffic there was. Edinburgh has a problem with the volume of traffic in rush hour.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "Edinburgh has a problem with the volume of traffic in rush hour."

    Not even close to an hour in most places.

    Actually Edinburgh (and most other places in the UK) has a problem with a tranche of people who think their (non-existent) right to drive to work trumps everything else.

    Of course that's only possible because (most) politicians/officials seem to think it's normal/inevitable or at least 'too difficult to do much about'.

    Perhaps more people should make more of it as an equality/gender issue.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. gembo
    Member

    If that could be nudged from right to drive to work to right to drive to work but at staggered times, e.g. All those whose surnames beging wwith A-H need to leave the house before 7 etc then the congestion would dissipate.

    Does appear we all need to do the same thing at the same time, infact we are not individuals, no we are not individuals

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. gembo, I am not a number!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Rosie
    Member

    Streets very quiet today. I'd guess because of the Easter holidays.

    When schools break up the traffic flow halves.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. steveo
    Member

    Schools don't break up till tomorrow afternoon.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. shuggiet
    Member

    'When schools break up the traffic flow halves.'

    Too right.. If only there was a way to encourage safe active travel for kids to get to school, then congestion solved! :-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. geordiefatbloke
    Member

    @shuggiet There's also less traffic as a lot of people are not going to work at all during the school holidays as they have to look after their kids!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. newtoit
    Member

    Interestingly, Mr P G of KNS fame has created a petition for congestion charging in all Scottish cities. Not to included those who live within the charging zone, or electric cars:

    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/petitionPDF/PE01607.pdf

    Posted 8 years ago #

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