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  1. paulmilne
    Member

    My daughter and her family in Clermiston Grove, which is just behind Corstorphine HIll. I was chatting to her the other day and the subject of cycling came up. She doesn't have a bike and is a classic case of "roads are too dangerous for me and my children".

    Anyway, she was repeating the shopkeeper's/PG's line about the lane will hurt the shopkeepers trade etc. I was pleased to gently put her straight on the issues, and when I mentioned PG's name she had a lightbulb moment - "Oh, HIM!". She quite rightly wouldn't repeat the gossip she'd heard or any first hand knowledge, but she knew him by sight and, shall we say, didn't have a high opinion of him, that was clear.

    Not that that is relevant to the arguments, but it does show how unchallenged propaganda can sway people who aren't directly involved in the issues.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  2. wingpig
    Member

    "...but it does show how unchallenged propaganda can sway people who aren't directly involved in the issues."

    Bloke down the pub said. It said in the paper. Apparently there's this.
    My wife got a lift from someone a couple of months back who'd heard of (and voluntarily relayed) the issue as "cycle path ≡ end of world". She was meeting the same person yesterday so I'll ask if she's been advised that the town centre will be chaotic traffic-pandemonium on Saturday whilst whizzing lycra-clad cyclists parade for more shopkeeps' livelihoods to be destroyed.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  3. daisydaisy
    Member

    How will the cafe in Roseburn park get its stock delivered? Will there be vans driving through the park?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  4. crowriver
    Member

    @daisydaisy, well clearly cargo bikes/trikes are the answer. I wonder though how they'll get on with the proposed speed bumps?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  5. Rosie
    Member

    Blokes installing a boiler at my place have just popped down to Roseburn to get a sandwich. One of them says the Roseburn Cafe does good coffee.

    Of course coming down Roseburn Street, they'll stick to the south side to buy their lunch. It's a faff to walk down to the crossing. The place desperately needs that crossing at the Roseburn Terrace/Roseburn Street junction.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  6. HankChief
    Member

    Speed bumps idea has been dropped and if they build the extra bridge over the WOL it would be a short walk from Corstorphine Road.

    I've also decided to Love bomb Sustrans on twitter to fortify them for their meeting with PG next week....

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/723114219516887040

    He was also threatening to badger the Minister & Transport Scotland <sigh>

    Posted 8 years ago #

  7. PS
    Member

    He was also threatening to badger the Minister & Transport Scotland <sigh>

    I suspect Transport Scotland are used to being badgered by people with unusual worldviews. Their deflection skills must be well-honed by now.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  8. daisydaisy
    Member

    Why, @HankChief, are you suggesting that the cafe could use a trolly or suchlike to move goods the short walk from Corstorphine Road? Does PG think this is a viable business propsal?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  9. HankChief
    Member

    Silly me @Daisydaisy. I forgot, Roseburn deliveries can't even be carried from the kerb to the premises and need to have pavements to park on to reduce the distance...

    Posted 8 years ago #

  10. wingpig
    Member

    "He was also threatening to badger the Minister & Transport Scotland <sigh>"

    Anyone know if he's planning on turning up at PoP with the Roseburn Firework Squad, seeing as there were no fireworks at the Spokes meeting?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  11. crowriver
    Member

    "I suspect Transport Scotland are used to being badgered by people with unusual worldviews. Their deflection skills must be well-honed by now."

    Certainly they seem to deflect the worldviews of cyclists very effectively. Cyclists are most "unusual" after all.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  12. Rosie
    Member

    @crowriver - Will he turn up at Transport Scotland in high viz & helmet?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  13. Stephan Matthiesen
    Member

    Found the perfect solution for Roseburn Terrace, found on Twitter ("Caution: Genius at work")

    (originally suggested for London in this Petition)

    Posted 8 years ago #

  14. Stickman
    Member

    Oh ****** hell. Frank Ross is having a rant about cyclists on Twitter:

    "@PidginPosting @SRDorman @hank_chief why is it that cyclists cannot ring their bell when approaching pedestrians from behind?

    6m6 minutes ago
    Frank Ross ‏@FrankRoss06
    @PidginPosting @SRDorman @hank_chief more verbal abuse from cyclists who insist the shared route at Broomhouse is theirs. #arrogance

    ss ‏@FrankRoss06
    @PidginPosting @trapprain @hank_chief @SRDorman why is it cyclists think they can ignore red lights?"

    This from the deputy leader of the council remember. Someone who is supposed to be supportive of active travel.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  15. PS
    Member

    Why is it that SNP councillors make sweeping generalisations that demonstrate they are incapable of applying perspective and rational thought?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  16. Luath
    Member

    I agree with his logic:

    Cyclists are arrogant abusers.
    Frank Ross claims to be a cyclist.
    =
    Frank Ross claims to be an arrogant abuser.

    Sorry for not being as constructive as those engaging with him on twitter :-/

    Posted 8 years ago #

  17. geordiefatbloke
    Member

    Why is it that cars think they can ignore red lights?

    Regarding his tweet I am astounded that an elected official a) believes this nonsense and b) is idiotic enough to actually publish it!

    Posted 8 years ago #

  18. crowriver
    Member

    "This from the deputy leader of the council remember. "

    Potentially the leader of the council from this time next year, if enough people are silly enough to vote SNP.

    Time to move to the Netherlands?

    P.S.:- I'm guessing that Cllr Ross is a keen motorist and dog walker.
    :-)

    Posted 8 years ago #

  19. Klaxon
    Member

    After 4 years of road building and Cllr Ross's inability to see past his bonnet I think the SNP group can forget any vote from me this time round.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  20. Rob
    Member

    #justenoughrope

    Posted 8 years ago #

  21. Stickman
    Member

    I think we've positively identified one of the Evening News BTL commenters.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  22. LivM
    Member

    Oh bother, I appeared to have been drawn into the Twitter thing with that man. Sorry.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  23. HankChief
    Member

    @LivD it's an easy trap to fall into and he is your elected representative...

    I did like your tweet about Haymarket Yards not giving you enough space to tow your kiddy trailer.

    One of the reasons I'm so keen to get politicians to see the location for themselves is to see how tight the space is and how it simply can't be altered to give a useable path suitable for everyone.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  24. minus six
    Member

    I think the SNP group can forget any vote from me this time round

    Anyone failing to vote GREEN in the upcoming elections ought to be having a serious word with themselves

    Posted 8 years ago #

  25. SRD
    Moderator

    a lot of us don't have a green candidate standing in the constituency ballot.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  26. Stickman
    Member

    With councillors like this across the country then I'm sure the SNP will deliver on their vision.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  27. ih
    Member

    If Ross were just a backbench ward councillor I could probably ignore his prejudiced, blinkered views, and the fact that he clearly does not have the intelligence to think (I hardly ever say that about someone, but his tweets and behaviour show that he doesn't have the ability to engage with facts and arguments and reach logical conclusions), but he's the leader of the council SNP group, deputy leader of the council and obviously has ambitions beyond that, and his party is not telling him to shut up and at least support the active travel "vision". I can't ignore that. I have recently lent my vote to the SNP but that's it, he's done it for me. I'll be finding other homes for my votes in May.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  28. minus six
    Member

    a lot of us don't have a GREEN candidate standing in the constituency ballot

    i've been that soldier, and have previously submitted an empty ballot on that basis

    i think there was discussion on here previously vis-a-vis the count-worthiness of empty or spoiled ballots

    but i can't remember the details

    Posted 8 years ago #

  29. chdot
    Admin

    "but i can't remember the details"

    Neither can I, but I think views have included 'personal choice' and 'undemocratic'.

    Spoiled ballot papers tend to be scrutinised by candidates in case there is a chance that they can argue that a voter intended to vote for 'them'.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  30. chdot
    Admin

    "Anyone failing to vote GREEN in the upcoming elections ought to be having a serious word with themselves"

    From Holyrood2016 thread -

    "If people are convinced supporters of the SNP and its policies (no manifesto yet), then it is perfectly reasonable to vote SNP twice. If people would like a better/different Scotland from the SNP vision, then it's reasonable to vote for another party even if they place a constituency cross for the SNP as well."

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15877&page=8#post-216977

    Posted 8 years ago #

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