We sort of did this on George street. Well a wee bit. Repeat offender used to knock the bollard down to park illegally outside his business.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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https://hankchiefblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/all-politics-is-local/
I've sent it to my candidates, Toni & Alex telling them their parties are costing them votes and asking them to clarify what we are voting for. Especially key as Edinburgh Western is a tight race.
It'd be good if others could help put the pressure on them by retweeting my tweets.
Thanks
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Definitely should try bits with planters or temporary concrete blocks.
CEC very resistant to the idea on Leith Walk.
George Street was trialled with an experimental TRO which was easier to obtain BUT, either by constraint of the ETRO process or CEC neglect, after the experimental period things 'had to go back to normal' without (apparently) a clear/speedy idea of what to do next!
Though whether George Street was mostly about 'cycling' is another matter.
One problem with Roseburn is that there's something of an 'all or nothing' approach. Clearly the status quo (plus Tesco alley) is undesirable, but even after consultations (and possibly revisions to the initial plan) it would be unprovable that it was the 'optimum' design.
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Ok, I didn't consider that even the smallest things take ages to do in Edinburgh. I thought, given that construction of the cycle lane doesn't start for another year or more, one could do an experiment now to help get people on board (hopefully showing that the impact is not as drastic as they fear).
But with Edinburgh's snail pace, there is a danger that it will take a year to get the ETRO, then a year to actually install concrete blocks, then half a day to remove them, another year to evaluate the otucomes, another 2 years to plan the permanent solution, another year to consult on it, another year to consult again because somebody didn't come to the initial consultation, then another two years to build it, and another year to fix everything that was done wrong when it was first built. Then it will be closed for 3 years as utilities dig it up for essential maintenance.
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@Stickman In Seville, I read that it all happened because bold officers and councillors pushed forward and nobody bothered to object because they thought the plans wouldn't happen anyway like most council plans, and then everybody was caught by surprise when construction actually started and it was too late to stop.
Edit: Oh, the article was in the Guardian:
“In Spain there’s been a lot of planning about cycling, but then the plans get put into a drawer,” Cebrián says. “So there was no opposition during the planning process, as everyone thought the same thing would happen. The opposition only started when the infrastructure was being built, and by then there was no way back.”
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@Stephan Jannette Sadik-Khan acted in a similar way in New York. Really you need some arbitrary power to get such projects through. Quite a lot of the infrastructure though was temporary to start with.
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Repeat offender used to knock the bollard down to park illegally outside his business.
Couldn't possibly be the one who had a vanity registration plate that matched the business name, could it?
Oddly never seen with a ticket, despite being so frequently parked in a manner that merited one.
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Interesting point of view on one of the arguments frequently used against cycle lanes:
I thought this comment was particularly relevant:
'One might cynically think that opposing cycle infrastructure as anti-disability is from a list headed up with "the answer is no, here are some ill-conceived rationalisations to throw out"...'
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I can't help feeling that it would be a lot easier for CEC to install protected bike lanes if they first did more to stop-up private motor traffic, under the guise of preventing rat-running (which most residents I'm sure will agree with).
For example, most of the Eastbound traffic on Roseburn Tce turns right into Russell Rd simply because the Haymarket junction is considered a nightmare and 'to be avoided'.
By preventing rat-running on Russell Rd / Roseburn Pl, there would be a significant reduction in traffic on Roseburn Tce.
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PG and his band will be in the Roseburn Cafe at 5-15pm tonight to design their version of the 'cycle track'
Anyone want to go
contributespy on their ideas?Posted 7 years ago # -
I'm a little loathe to call Russell Rd a rat run, it's not a parallel route to anything, indeed when it's been shut the next suitable crossing from the A70 to the A8 is Balgreen Rd. Edinburgh just has a disjointed and narrow orbital road layout.
That said, it has been shut to through traffic for some insanely large percentage of the last 5 years without the world collapsing.
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@eddie_h Think that will be an invite-only affair as the cafe is closed by then. I'll be passing by around then and usually stop to take a picture of the illegally stopped cars. I'll try and glimpse at the conspirators to see how big the envelope they are drawing on the back of is.
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Russell Rd is used as a route from the A8 through to the WAR*, or up Viewforth to Bruntsfield / Melville Dr (avoiding Haymarket / Lothian Rd / Tollcross)
*By taking a right on Dalry Rd, then left on to Henderson Tce.
I certainly feel very sorry for the residents of Muireston Cres (which Russell Rd leads into) who have to put up with daily tailbacks on their narrow street, filling the tenement 'canyon' with fumes and making it difficult for kids to safely access the playpark opposite...
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@Stickman can you ask them to work on the Grosvenor/Landsdowne Crescent section next? That's the real weak point in the initial design.
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Was at a meeting near Haymarket this morning, and beforehand grabbed a cup of tea from a little café nearby.
Imagine my disappointment when I looked out of the window and saw a big A3-sized sign on it: "STOP THE CYCLE TRACK". And, next to it: "PETITION RE-OPENED Sign here or at:" (with a tinyurl link and QR code).
Imagine my disappointment when even the sewing machine repair place had something about SAVE OUR SHOPS, SAVE OUR COMMUNITY. Because no-one from outside Roseburn or Haymarket would ever frequent such establishments.
If said outsiders ride a bike, they're not more likely to frequent said establishments now.
Also watched about four drivers 'just popping in' by parking in the loading-only spaces.
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"Imagine my disappointment"
I do hope you communicated this to the cafe proprietor. :-)
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Press release from the Roseburn rebel:
Sustrans ... pulled out of a long-awaited meeting with traders and residents at the last minute last Tuesday, when they became aware of the calibre of the experts ranged against them for the meetingPosted 7 years ago # -
Sustrans ... pulled out of a long-awaited meeting with traders and residents at the last minute last Tuesday, when they became aware of the calibre of the experts ranged against them for the meeting
ROLF...
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That's probably true...
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@chdot: LOL!
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He's mad isn't he?
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3,300 sigs -> 40 letters. That's a poor conversion rate, somewhat supporting my theory that most were from people who were asked in person and didn't want to say "no".
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"He's mad isn't he?"
I'm not sure about that but he's certainly lost the subtlety we saw in his earlier writing.
Initially he was slightly twisting facts so they were quite believable, if you didn't look into it too deeply. Now he's just ranting and rambling.
CEC came up with this design as part of a conspiracy with Sustrans so they can have a cycle lane both behind and infront of their office? Really?
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PG plus 4 others sat round a table pondering over plans in Vigo's tonight at 17-30.
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Oh dear... producing a better design than Sustrans...
(hastily deletes moany comments about Sutrans's wiggly propensities)
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Did Sustrans do the design work on this? I was under the impression it was the Council team...
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@crowriver - yes - but Sustrans presumably approved.
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Re Russell Road - it's my commute and I never find most of it that bad - partly because it's bad for the drivers. They line up to turn right on to Roseburn Street and there's usually a gap to get across from the shared path pavement. They quite often wave me through. The road isn't fast, it's wide enough to take both car & cycle without conflict and the awful bit is Muireston, where it's a bottle neck - effectively one-way.
@eddie_h - yes, it's dreadful. It should be a fairly pleasant, quiet, square with a garden in the middle but it's a conduit.
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@eddie_h
We must have been around at the same time. My picture from 5.30 today got your illegal parker in the background:
https://mobile.twitter.com/pidginposting/status/727551740313260032
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