"public meeting to be held on Tuesday 2nd August at 7pm in the Murrayfield Parish Church Hall at 2b Ormidale Terrace, EH12 6EQ"
My bold.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Posted 8 years ago #
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Adam McVey has agreed to attend the public meeting, but it's not clear what the purpose of it is or what the format of it will be.
On a separate note I asked for more clarity on the different colouring of the cycle path past the loading in Option A.
This is the response I got.
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As the north side loading bay has been reinstated in OptionA, it is envisaged the cycle track will be raised at this location, flush with the pavement. This is to enable ease of loading to local businesses.
There will be a different surfacing at this location to identify as a mixed use space.
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"There will be a different surfacing at this location to identify as a mixed use space."
Is that 'a good compromise' or completely against the point/spirit of the whole thing?
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Well, we can expect the local businesses to park on that section of the path. They already park on the pavements, so I don't expect them to respect the cycle path.
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Just a reminder -
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Community councils have a duty under statute to represent the views of their local community. It is vital therefore, that they reflect the broad spectrum of opinion and interests of all sections of the community. In order to fulfil their responsibilities as effective and representative, community councils shall: -
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saw the hairdressers from the bus has poster demanding illegal parking outside for his/her car, err I mean opposing trhe cycle track
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Spokes CycleCampaign (@SpokesLothian)
07/07/2016, 10:34
#Roseburn options A & B. Our view --> http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/1606-Roseburn-to-Leith-Walk.-FINAL-Spokes-Comments-June-2016.pdf See also useful comments at http://roseburncycleroute.org.uk/bloghttp://pic.twitter.com/936Q21uqFu
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Big day for the proposals tomorrow...
It's the day CEC gets to pitch its plans to Sustrans Scotland for the Community Links Plus funding.
If successful it will bring much needed funding that will help it get built and allow it to include public realm improvements and enhanced connections to the scheme to ensure it really works to get more people using active travel.
If you want to share the love and show the community supports our bid, feel free to Retweet this.
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Community Boards that are meant to protect communities’ interests in planning decisions but instead end up as the vehicle of noisy vested interests.
Cyclists are peculiarly aware of this dysfunctionality, I think, because it is a profoundly conservative force. It seeks to entrench privileges and works against change. In a city that’s nominally trying to increase its cycle commuting rate from a modest 1 per cent, that means that many of these forces are aligned against making life easier for cyclists. If one doesn’t take into account how these fundamentally regressive relationships shape life in the city, it’s impossible to understand the near-halting of progress on cycling in the city since Janette Sadik-Khan, the city’s one-time transport commissioner, stood down at the end of Michael Bloomberg's time in office in 2013. Without an advocate as forceful and effective as Sadik-Khan, regressive, conservative, corrupt forces have largely overwhelmed the continuing faltering efforts under Bill de Blasio towards change.
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http://invisiblevisibleman.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/thick-bridge-cables-police-placard.html
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Just in
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The presentation to the judging panel yesterday seemed to go very well, but of course we didn't hear the other 4. Apparently the result is likely to be announced late July or early August.
The presenting team was pretty high powered, with Lesley Hinds and Paul Lawrence - the 'Director of Place' - who is in charge of transport, planning and more and in the top level under the council chief executive. PL has only been in position for 6 months - I'd not met him before - he was very impressive, is a regular cyclist, and seemed personally enthusiastic about the project.
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Presentations to Sustrans:
http://www.spokes.org.uk/documents/members-campaigning/edinburgh/princes-st-city-centre/
The council presentation has some mocked-up visualisations of how it would look. Might be worth sharing with opponents.
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Might be worth sharing with opponents
As might the £22m of benefits from £3m of a Edinburgh Council's funds (matched funded by Community Links Plus funding - assuming we win).
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Another copy and paste of a previous article, but apparently 6000 have now signed the petition.
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CEC SNP councillor -
Stefan Tymkewycz (@StefanTymkewycz)
20/07/2016, 15:35
Wonderful #Copenhagen bicycles everywhere! More bikes than cars. 53% travel to work by bike.Posted 8 years ago # -
Don't think we've had this response by Living Streets posted before
WALKING CAMPAIGNERS WELCOME CHANGE TO ROSEBURN CYCLE PLAN DESIGN
“We’re pleased that the Council have taken note of our biggest concern about the Roseburn design – a floating bus stop at this busy location would have created unwelcome conflicts between pedestrians and cyclists at a busy location.”Posted 8 years ago # -
@stickman- is there a counter petition in favour?
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Another reminder for PG's Public Meeting on Tuesday next week (2nd August) - 7pm Murrayfield Church Hall, Ormidale Terrace
We don't have much details for it but the Roseburn Cycle Group have been invited to speak.
It'll be helpful to get a good turnout of supporters for the proposals to share their views and help convince the audience of the benefits.
So if the scheme would make a difference to you please come along.
Thanks
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@paddyirish: yes, but it's only been signed by Americans apparently ;-)
@HankChief: I'll be there, although I don't expect it to be anything other than another moaning session.
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Lost my cool this morning, not something my offline persona does that much, and not something I'm happy about.
Riding east to west towards Roseburn, there a bus stopped in the bus lane that I move out to go round, cars well behind me, then figure it's downhill, I'm doing 25mph+, a car ahead is turning in that I'd have had to move around the back of (or slow) for anyway, and most pertinently, I'm going straight on at the lights through Roseburn.
Stop at the red lights in the ASL, car behind beeps, I turn and the driver (of the big white Audi, ah yes) is sweeping his arm left to indicate I should have been in the left lane. There's something very arrogantly "move over peasant" about the whole thing. I get off, and with big arms gestures shout, twice, "THIS is for straight on, THAT is left turn only" and get back on the bike. The cyclist to my left gives me a smile and I comment that ,"They just don't get it".
Of course further on there's a car and two vans in the loading bays, so I (over extravagantly) indicate their presence to Audi-man following behind, then as I move left after them tap my head in an Asterix 'toc toc toc' fashion (my go-to, non-rude, gesture).
The message won't have got through, and I've just made myself look like a pillock to the pedestrian who was walking by, and probably to the other cyclists in the ASL, but there was just a switch flicked (for the first time in about 5 years) this morning.
I didn't swear (I don't generally), but it was a bit OTT (which has made for a comical shadow dance video). Of course, if there was a two-way cycle lane through there....
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@WC:
I'm shocked that there were cars and vans stopped in the loading bays out of permitted hours.
As for your reaction; happens to us all. Funny that we can put up with all sorts of **** then one relatively small incident provokes a reaction. I've done it, and also been beside others doing it. All part of the commuting cyclist experience I guess.
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Response to PG's FOI request:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/data_informing_the_roseburn_to_l#incoming-845113
What conclusion do you think the opponents will draw from this?
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What conclusion do you think the opponents will draw from this?
That PG needs to extend his reach if he wants to stir up more Strongly Opposed out side his own street...
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"What conclusion do you think the opponents will draw from this?"
I suspect they'll hone in on the results for EH12 5* & 6*, which are both pretty much opposed to the route (especially through Roseburn itself).
This will demonstrate that the council wishes to ignore the needs and calls of the 'local' population, in favour of those who merely pass through (ignoring the fact that it's the locals who seek to benefit the most from this change, but that's by the by and argued ad nauseum).
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"I suspect they'll hone in on the results for EH12 5* & 6*, which are both pretty much opposed to the route (especially through Roseburn itself)".
But even if you just look at those 2 areas, there was only a 3.0% response (based on 2011 census) with 1.8% opposed and 1.0% supporting the Roseburn section.
You can't make sweeping statement about ALL of Roseburn based on those figures.
It also doesn't give any indication of how many of those opposed would have softened their position with the changed CEC made to proposals (removing floating bus stop and reinstating North side loading etc).
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Roseburn Cycle Group's blog on the public meeting.
Please share & come along.
http://www.roseburncycleroute.org.uk/blog/public-meeting
Or as a tweet
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"But even if you just look at those 2 areas, there was only a 3.0% response (based on 2011 census) with 1.8% opposed and 1.0% supporting the Roseburn section."
So he's roused a SMALL rabble, but not (remotely) the general populus!
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You're both right of course, but in a world of first past the post politics (even if Scotland has tweaked that) it doesn't matter what the turnout is, you only count those who bother to cast.
EDIT: I also wasn't suggesting that his interpretation will be correct, just that that's what his interpretation will be (there will be a pronouncement soon I suspect).
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Agreed. It's just like all the motorways ever built had the majority support of each postcode they pass through.
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