I have created a facebook event here:
https://www.facebook.com/events/176013649488139/
very rough and ready I'm afraid with a stock photo - I'll invite some with whom I am friends directly. Please let me know if I should change anything
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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Posted 8 years ago #
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I will be there.
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Nigel Bagshaw will be there. Gavin Burnett and Chas Booth will try, depending on school run (walk!) duties.
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Presume AB, LH & AMc have been unvited?
If the press are being invited is there an ETA for reaching Roseburn?
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If anyone knows any relevant councillors on facebook please consider inviting them to the event. I'm afraid I am not friends with the right people - I think @SRD has invited a few - thanks for that. Nigel Bahshaw and Gavin Corbett have responded positively....
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I've tweeted them all; don't know if any other invite has gone out?
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@Stickman thanks - I am useless at twittering. In case it would be worth it you could tweet a shortened link to the Facebook event:
(maybe not necessary but just a thought given you can confirm attendance on the event)
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@algo: done.
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Thanks! Would be nice to have lots of folk - I will try and bring some number of children but that might be logistically quite difficult...
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I hope I'm not giving the impression this is anything other than being made up as we go along...
I have one journalist confirmed and working on others. I'll formally invite councillors but no harm in people contacting their own.
Please do use the Facebook event so we can build some momentum in numbers attending.
It's only 1.5miles to Roseburn so I anticipate we'll be there by 8.20am - feel free to grab a coffee once we're there.
Anyone want to volunteer to lead, marshall or backstop the ride please shout. It's not essential that it sticks together but someone setting a slow and steasy pace would be helpful.
It would be good for people to tweet & Facebook as it happens and what the scheme will mean for you and potential new cyclists, so smart phones at the ready.
Also think about decorating your bike with a big letter 'A' etc.
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@HankChief - well done for all you have done. I'm pretty sure this "event" just needs enough people willing to engage in conversation with the councillors. I will be there from 7:45 and am willing to do anything that would be useful.
I know this is a very daft question, but could you/someone possibly confirm the exact route that we'll take? I would normally go down Shandwick -> Torphichen -> Haymarket -> Wester Coates -> Roseburn - I imagine though you may well want to go via Magdala Crescent? The former would certainly be more of an eye opener. I can share it on the facebook page. Also given that I imagine at that time we'll be going the opposite way to the usual commuter route, would it be worth going to Roseburn, turning round and coming back again?
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"we'll be going the opposite way to the usual commuter route"
Don't know how true that is.
Plenty people work out west. Many at present may well not be currently going via Haymarket/Roseburn - and many more currently wouldn't cycle at all...
In any case commuters to the centre will return.
Think it's best to use the route planned for the LW2R route.
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I can confirm, as an East to West commuter, that I usually see more cyclists heading the same direction as me....
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@chdot - yes of course you're right sorry...
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Which does question PG's categorising of the consultation responses by those living West of the Centre. Plenty of employment out West and residential areas in City Centre / East.
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As we know most of what PG puts out there makes you wonder if he actually thinks.
for instance rolling the "neither for nor against" responses to his consulfaketion into the support column suggests to me that he had almost no-one supporting it and needed to include the middle ground to convince himself that there was any support.
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can I just check - is this the route we'll take? I took this from the consultation - if it's right I'll put it up as it might be useful...
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I assume that any councillors who turn up will be likely to back Option A, but I hope people will want to point out why it's the best option.
Some people (not on here of course!) consider that B is a compromise to 'satisfy' the objectors and increase the chance of the whole thing being built.
B is just a COMPROMISEd route.
Are there other options?...
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Is this still Option A?
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6669/roseburn_to_leith_walk_cycle_route_map.pdf
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@algo: yes
@chdot: yes (with some changes for loading, bus stops etc)
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@algo Unless I've seriously misunderstood the Google map that comes up from your link, I don't think we should follow that route, but we should follow the proposed route which takes the cut-through past West Register House, across to Melville St, through the path by St Mary's cathedral into Landsowne Cres, Roseberry Cres, where the route joins Haymarket Terr and on to Roseburn. I'll try to find a link. This is a messy route (but that's what is on offer ) and it will help to point out the present difficulties and why it needs the investment.
We should definitely take option A in Roseburn Terrace. I'm not sure whether we should go along Option B on the way back, pointing out the dangers, or just ignore it, like Morningsider said, "Option A is a no brainer."
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@ih - as far as I can see that's what my route shows - or have I got it wrong?
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Hi @algo the route you've just put up is the right one. I just double checked the previous link and I see something that ends up on Magdala Crescent, so apologies if I misinterpreted it!
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The CEC link says Grovenor not Lansdowne.
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ah - google has that as one way.... which isn't correct - I'll try and change it
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I just wrote to the transport committee to invite them to this (I know others have already) - in case it saves anyone any copy/paste time:
lesley.hinds@edinburgh.gov.uk,
adam.mcvey@edinburgh.gov.uk,
robert.aldridge@edinburgh.gov.uk,
nigel.bagshaw@edinburgh.gov.uk,
chas.booth@edinburgh.gov.uk,
gavin.barrie@edinburgh.gov.uk,
steve.cardownie@edinburgh.gov.uk,
nick.cook@edinburgh.gov.uk,
marion.donaldson@edinburgh.gov.uk,
karen.doran@edinburgh.gov.uk,
nick.gardner@edinburgh.gov.uk,
bill.henderson@edinburgh.gov.uk,
allan.jackson@edinburgh.gov.uk,
karen.keil@edinburgh.gov.uk,
mark.mcinnes@edinburgh.gov.uk,
Andrew Burns <andrew.burns@edinburgh.gov.uk>,
frank.ross@edinburgh.gov.ukPosted 8 years ago # -
It'll be interesting getting a peloton across all those junctions between Charlotte Sq and Haymarket Terrace.
Absolutely right chdot, Grosvenor Crescent.
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@ih: should be easier than the PoP feeders as it's likely to be experienced cyclists and not young kids, so splitting up won't cause such a problem.
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I'll set my alarm and take part
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Just done the route. Took 10 mins (5.55 to 6.05) at a leisurely pace.
Points to look out for if the group is large:
No dropped kerb from Charlotte Sq into the passage by West Register House,
Randolph Place, some of the worst setts I've experienced in Edinburgh,
Green light to cross onto Melville St very short,
Melville St itself, good,
The left and right to get to the St Mary's passage not easy if busy,
Second half of St Mary's passage very narrow, if lots of pedestrians might even be advisable to dismount,
Crossing Palmerston Place not easy if busy, no dropped kerb from the passage,
Once into Grosvenor Crescent, tricky manoeuvre to cross traffic coming along Lansdowne Crescent to stay on Grosvenor,
Similar tricky manoeuvre exiting Grosvenor Crescent with 2-way traffic on Lansdowne,
Roseberry Crescent ok, but right turn onto Haymarket Terrace difficult due to busy traffic and parked vehicles blocking sightlines; might be advisable to use nearby pedestrian crossing (dismounted),
Haymarket Terrace and West Coates have the most appalling surface, you frequently have to be in mid-lane.Of course all this depends on the number and experience of people, but it might be useful to point out some of the difficulties to our guests on what is supposed to be a quiet route (part of it is NCR1).
Finally, when I got to Roseburn, still during peak no stopping or loading period, there were 3 cars on the south side and 2 on the north. At least 3 belonged to the retailers. A building firm Connell McFadden were moving into one of the vacant units, and there was their van getting practice parking illegally outside their new premises.
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