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I wonder what the locals of Roseburn and Bearsden would think if they knew if they were being compared with the residents of Royston Vasey and the "local <thing> for local people" attitude?
I'm not criticising kaputnik, just wondering.
For the record, I've never seen The League of Gentlemen (in fact I thought Royston Vasey was Little Britain until I looked at the Wikipedia entry just now.) (No, I've never seen Little Britain either.)
Note that each community council has a fixed number of spaces for local interest groups and that, in the event of more groups requesting a space than there are spaces, the newly elected community councillors decide which representatives get on.
Local groups were used by the previous community council in Portobello to being in 'friends' - at least one group represented hadn't held a (public/documented) meeting in three years but still had their rep. voting on the CC.
"I'm not criticising kaputnik, just wondering."
I'm sure some would be outraged, others might take it as a badge of honour!
I wonder what the locals of Roseburn and Bearsden would think if they knew if they were being compared with the residents of Royston Vasey
Perhaps they might recognise some unpleasant personality traits that they've allowed to come to the fore?
Nah! Just kidding.
It's not as if the League of Gentlemen created the attitude - they just made a Fringe and telly show out of it and Sellotaped its nose up. I don't know if the non-Locality of dress and accent of Tubbs and Edward was deliberate, dissociating them from 'their' people a bit like a posho-voiced tweeded-up local lord-type.
I'm furious that me and gembo don't feature in kaputnik's near photrealist depiction of recent events.
They seem like the Newbury bypass protesters without the occupation trees and the tunnels, may be that Peter Gregson will occupy the cycle lane in a tree house to stop the work.
"As far as I can see KNS has a membership of one."
Why then do the public announcements aways mention "we"? The Royal "we"? Or are there co-conspirators?
"They seem like the Newbury bypass protesters "
I presume you are playing Devil's Advocate here.
Completely opposite attitudes and objectives. Newbury protesters were trying to save nature, forest, and farmland from concrete, asphalt, and pollution spewing motor vehicles. Roseburn protesters are trying to save road space and 'parking' (loading bays) for pollution spewing motor vehicles, from human powered transport on two wheels and two feet.
@crowriver: just an affectation I think. I've never seen any evidence of anyone else being involved.
@kapt.
Nice graphic.
What about a pollution cloud of diesel fumes around the wickerman's head?
Mr Art et Facts: "can't buy a picture by bike"
Mr Dutchman: "oh really?"
https://mobile.twitter.com/crabbitcopy/status/772800619144945665
"can't buy X by bike"
Translation from CarSpeak: Normal people don't do this. Only weirdos, idiots or poor people would do this.
See also:
"can't travel to work by bike"
"can't ride a bike up hills/in the rain"
"can't ride a bike 5 miles"
"can't carry kids on a bike"
@crowriver
At the Great Roseburn Stare-Off a nice, articulate lady explained to me in great detail why it was impossible to cycle in Edinburgh as I stood in front of her in bicycle clothes holding the bicycle on which I had arrived.
I'm not sure if she expected to talk me out of existence or what.
@IWRATS, that was just a polite way of calling you a poor, wretched, weirdo idiot. You know, by way of generalising and deflecting the issue onto society at large. It's a bit like when people you know say you're "brave" to cycle.
"Impossible" translated from CarSpeak as above...
@IWRATS:
The reality distortions field appears to be strong in Roseburn. At the consultation back in January the following conversation occurred:
Shop Owner: "if the bike lane is built I won't be able to load and I'll have to close"
Council Officer: "there will be a loading bay outside your shop"
SO: "no, there won't"
CO: "look on this map, it's right here"
SO: "the petition guy outside said there won't be any loading"
CO: "I drew the plans, I put a loading bay right outside your shop!"
SO: "I'm going to have to close"
@Stickman
Roseburn has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
Send a report?
Oops copy and paste isn't working properly.
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Theresa May to tell G20 Roseburn is ‘open for business’ despite Brexit vote
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/03/theresa-may-g20-uk-brexit-china-hinkley-point-c
Good to see some Roseburn businesses are embracing different ways of working. A leaflet out through my door lists the local cafes who use the Deliveroo bike delivery service. Cafe Vigo (opposed to bike lane, no customers come by bike, can't do shopping by bike, apparently get deliveries by articulated lorry) is one of them.
Both branches are on the Deliveroo website.
Maybe all the campaigning on the benefits of bikes for business is paying off!
Good to see them trying things to get more business.
As I said on other thread -
The idea of relatively local people passing by on a means of transport which could be stopped/parked - legally - at any time of day is clearly beyond their understanding.
As I've said before, if any of them go out of business, it's because they are not keeping up - with the competition, the Internet, changing habits, demographics etc. or welcoming plans that could reduce the amount of polluting traffic just passing by...
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Emilia Jane Hanna (@Emiliajaneagain)
05/09/2016, 11:52 am
Campaigning for Clean Air Neighbourhoods Training Day, 8th October, Glasgow. Book your spot and spread the word: http://foes.do/clean-air-neighbourhoods
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From link
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Transport accounts for a quarter of Scotland’s greenhouse gas emissions and creates air pollution, responsible for over 2500 deaths in Scotland each year. But where local governments prioritise space for cycling, walking, and public transport, cities and their environments thrive.
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"articulate lady explained to me in great detail why it was impossible to cycle in Edinburgh"
Isn't that an argument for cycling infrastructure? Especially the kind which joins up existing cycling infrastructure.
Statements like that make me feel at least part of the opposition is fueled by huge misunderstandings.
No.
Impossible means it's NOT possible.
Evidenced by the fact that no-one does.
@Rob
Some of the reasons were insuperable - hills and weather. Scotland has of course no culture whatsoever of cycling on hills in all weathers.
Maybe she's viewing this project in isolation? She could mean that it would be impossible for people to cycle to Roseburn so why bother building cycle lanes through it.
Maybe some videos of the canal or NEPN would make people realise just how many cyclists are hidden away.
I think there comes a point where it's a waste of time trying to alter the closed minds of those who 'know best'.
More productive to try to encourage those who actually like the idea to say so! (Easier said than done in the local climate.)
One thing that suddenly occurred to me in relation to the local traders as I chopped squash for tea is this;
If the cycle track is successful and drop-in business in Roseburb thrives then that excess value will be captured not by the traders but by their landlords in increased rents.
It may be that the traders only see the downside of construction disruption and loss of a few obligate drivist customers (which won't lead to rent decreases) because for them there is no upside.
Perhaps we should petition the landlords arguing that they can capture the value of the public investment?
"hills and weather"
aaah, impossible due to things completely outside our control.
Funny, hills and weather are such non-factors it didn't even occur to me that might be what she meant.
"I think there comes a point where it's a waste of time trying to alter the closed minds of those who 'know best'. "
You're probably right. @Stickman's transcript certainly backs this up.
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