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@Iw I think there are some good points there.
I think most commercial rents are reviewed every 5 years.
There was some mention at the T&E Committee that a couple of shops were up for review and the 'uncertainty' meant that people might not sign a new lease.
Rents seldom go down, because the property owners have a vested interest in getting as much rent as possible. They may even find businesses that think they can be more successful than current ones and therefore willing to pay a higher rent.
An "upwards only" rent review clause is very common.
Owning your own premises can be an asset for businesses - just ask woolworths
Rents seldom go down...
Yes. Our old premises in Marchmont has been empty for a month waiting for someone to pay the extra 23% that the market would like!
Like the Kaputnik graphic. I felt that there was also a 'Dad's Army' feeling with the helmeted reception at Roseburn. Fighting off the cycling hoards to keep the mighty A8 flowing slowly through Roseburn.
Maybe Mr. KNS will change his 'organisation' to KNPollution.
You mean "Pollution Not Kids" surely?
Good point...
@LaidBack - you're not alone in Marchmont (as you well know). chdot is dead on - Manigeh, the owner of Happiee Daze is being pushed out because someone (look who's next door) has told the landlord they are willing to pay almost twice as much rent. It will be a real loss - it is a real local social hub where everyone know each other - not to mention the place where the recent Scottish world cup winners (rugby 7s) hang out....
Moving offish topic -
(Not just a 'restaurant review')
(She does seem less Happiee these Daze.)
I noticed the Under Armour shop on Haymarket Terrace (at the corner with Rosebery Cres) has closed. It never appeared to be very busy so I don't think the bike lane plane can be blamed. That won't stop people blaming it though.
@chdot - never seen that but it's spot on... she will be sorely missed by many many people. She's trying to fight the landlord in the courts but I'm not sure she has a case in the long term and will have to move. It's very sad. Just as it is that I can't pop in and have a natter with LaidBack on my way back from the shops.
I looked up Roseburn Primary School's Active Travel plan. I couldn't find it, only this from the Junior Road Safety Officers. http://www.roseburnprimary.co.uk/curriculum/jrso
"The scenario was about a girl called Maisie who wasn’t wearing any bright coloured clothing or a helmet and was knocked over.The whole point of doing it was to tell the school about how many people might be involved in dealing with one accident – police officers, doctors, parents and witnesses and paramedics. It was a fun activity and we involved some of the pupils and teachers."
It is interesting that a driver is not included in the cast.
".....who wasn’t wearing any bright coloured clothing or a helmet..."
grrrr
The scenario was about a girl called Maisie who wasn’t wearing any bright coloured clothing or a helmet and was knocked over.
AKA indoctrination into motoring culture
As posted on the Roseburn Park thread
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Such things are a real problem in many areas of life - including traders and cycle routes - and particularly the whole business of whose interests should trump others.
It's clearly not possible to produce unequivocally evidence in advance of a proposed change.
With Roseburn there are people who believe 'shops will go out of business' and 'local businesses will benefit'.
Both are probably right.
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What if the scope of the Roseburny bit was expanded to include an unstepped access to the WoL, for the benefit of local people who prefer to avoid steps?
Increase in revenue/profit doesn't translate into increased property value unless you're an owner occupier. In the case of Roseburn I suspect most will be on typical FRI leases to landlords. Commercial property values are driven by rent yields and comparable evidence from the area. As an example, a café will generally pay the same 'market' rent as a pharmacy assuming same sqft (both are present in Roseburn) but the pharmacy 'business' will be worth significantly more (it will generate more profit) but the property values the same. If Roseburn businesses saw an increase in revenue, it's those businesses that would increase in goodwill value. What 'could' happen though is that if Roseburn was seen as becoming a more desirable area for retailers that could drive up the market rent. However, these properties are not large and in a secondary area so increases might be relatively small in real terms.
(responding to an earlier post re rent reviews these are defined by the terms of the lease so annual and three yearly tend to be popular. There are a number of mechanisms available in relation to the increase such as RPI, fixed %age or independent valuations to determine market rent)
It was this article that put me in mind of the idea that the financial benefit from Roseburn becoming a pleasant place to linger will fall to the landlords of the retail units.
We should push for these landlords to be part of the Stakeholder group, and for their transient leaseholders to be excluded.
Ignoring the views any of them happen to have, I'm not sure that a push to exclude genuine members of the community in favour of absentee landlords in an apparent collusion to effect rent increases would be particularly warmly received. It almost certainly wouldn't be legal either.
I suspect iwrats is being mildly ironic, but it highlights why siding with the 'you're not local, you don't count' way of thinking is questionable.
From link -
"business, in the form of a business that uses commercial property, doesn't pay business rates: they fall upon the landlord"
Is that true now?
Certainly didn't use to be. Rent paid to landlord, rates to council.
It's making the point (which can also be made of Council Tax) that, assuming a reasonably well-functioning market, it's actually the landlord that shoulders the burden of these property taxes in cuts to the level of rent they can effectively charge.
Imagine if the Council suddenly raised council tax by £100 a month - a bunch of renters would suddenly not be able/willing to afford that and move to cheaper areas. Likewise, some people would move out of the pool of prospective renters when these flats are re-advertised for the same reason. It's likely that, in order to re-let these flats, many landlords would choose to lower their rent somewhat, thus bearing the impact of the council tax increase (but lessened by the market value increase, if any, in the intervening time.)
Property occupiers (generally the tenant) are liable for rates. Some may have leases where the owners agrees to take on the burden, but this is not common.
In Roseburn Terrace 17 businesses have a rateable value of £10k or less so will get 100% relief courtesy of the scottish governments small business bonus scheme i.e. they pay nothing!
@jonty
I was, as @chdot helpfully pointed out, being mildly ironic. I've no idea what the rules for the stakeholder group will be, but I'm pretty sure that without huge prompting it will exclude key groups - the landlords of the retail spaces, the private commuter motorists on the urban A8 and the people who'd like to cycle but can't, some of whom will be children.
Perhaps a silent 08h00 march down Roseburn Terrace by five hundred children in gas masks would do it?
scottish governments small business bonus scheme
Our friend Andy Wightman has described that scheme as a 'subsidy to landlords', citing the Adam Smith article I linked to above.
"In Roseburn Terrace 17 businesses have a rateable value of £10k or less so will get 100% relief courtesy of the scottish governments small business bonus scheme i.e. they pay nothing!"
Aha!
Where do you look that up?
The rateable value of every business in scotland can be searched by address or street at http://www.SAA.gov.uk
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Milngavie Herald (@MBHerald1)
05/09/2016, 15:55
Councillor’s disgust at bad behaviour at Bears Way meeting
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Any point in inviting the local businesses to this meeting or does the mere mention of Spokes cause fury?
Benefiting Business Through Cycling
And in response to @chdot's post, last night's Bearsway public meeting seemed to go better than the previous one.
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