@ih To be fair, they are probably trying to time their visits to every busy street in the city for rush hour, though.
@chdot Not sure what constitutes a visit; might just include driving past if there's no illegal parking at the time.
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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"Not sure what constitutes a visit; might just include driving past if there's no illegal parking at the time."
I think that's probably true (on scooter), or may stop and note numberplates and perhaps return later to see if any are still there - but perhaps not investigate 'quality' of loading(?)
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If it's a Greenway, then maybe a bus lane camera can be set up there? Far more effective than some chaps occasionally passing on a scooter. The resulting fixed penalties income might help to offset the loss of business rates income from all the exempt small businesses there...
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Parking enforcement is crying out for some sort of crowd-based initiative. Especially once pavement parking becomes illegal, if that ever gets passed, or once cycle tracks wide enough to park on become commonplace. You'll have a large, highly motivated group of people willing to report violations for free, and then wardens on scooters could just follow up reports and scoop up the fines. It would probably pay for itself...
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Everywhere has the same issues with building bike lanes. The good news is that opponents don't always win:
https://subversivesuburbanite.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/let-the-work-begin/
It seems that the demographic of people who engage with the council and attend public meetings – mainly older, often retired, and usually conservative with a big and a small ‘c’ – tend to be the same demographic who oppose any threat to the status quo. Unfortunately this same demographic also seems to have the time, and often the resources, to make their views heard. On the other hand the younger, busier families, who hate seeing their streets dominated by speeding, polluting, congesting traffic, and worry about the air their children breathe, have too many other demands on their time to make much noise about it
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That's a great blog post @Stickman. Shows that change is coming and gives up hope for the future.
My favorite part was
a woman in her sixties approached our stall, and when she looked at our posters and muttered, ‘Controversial!’ everyone assumed she was against it. But she shook her head and went on to say, ‘But it has to happen. There are just too many cars everywhere.'
I had the misfortune to travel by car for part of both my commutes today. It was horrible - "just too many cars" - I did at least manage to persuade my neighbour to try it by bike next week though :-)
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"I did at least manage to persuade my neighbour to try it by bike next week though"
Maybe you could get them to critique http://cyclefridays.wordpress.com
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I was on the bus tonight as took the electrC bike back to work this morning via gilmerton and braid hills.
Spotted my pal Tom up ahead then the bus overtook him and I battered on the window but then the bus stopped every 100 metres to let one individual at a time off and Tom overtook the bus and made it home before me. Also back seat overheating from engine. Hell.
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Looking forward to link being finished.
I came off my bike this eve crossing the tram tracks on Haymarket Yards heading down the hill. I crossed at good angle as usual, but somehow (not sure how - it was all so fast) wheel caught in the tram track and I and bike went flying. I suppose all the drizzle made the road and tracks extra slippery.
Not a pleasant experience, and so looking forward to new route avoiding these tracks in near future.
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@jules
Sorry to hear about your crash. If you feel able you should report it to the Council who are keeping a record of all crashes.
Here's how: http://www.spokes.org.uk/documents/public-transport/tram/
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All crashes or other incidents relating to tramlines should be reported to City of Edinburgh Council, who are keeping a record and using this to try and identify problems which need addressed. Report by phone to 0131 338 5844 or email trams@edinburgh.gov.uk or write to Tram Depot, 1 Myreton Drive, Edinburgh.Please report such incidents even if they were in the past and you have only just discovered this reporting method, and even if you have already notified the police or anyone else. These contacts can also be used for any queries about the tram or tramlines.
Please also report your crash to Spokes – for example, if you email as above to report your crash please cc: to Spokes.
If you are considering making a claim for damages – Spokes has prepared an information sheet on claiming for a tramline-related incident
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My sympathies too, I've not net come down on the tracks (but nearly have), but my partner came down on Princes St. in similar "I don't know how it happened" circumstances and got a painful fall and pancaked wheel out of it.
Please do report it, there's a determined hardcore of misinformed NIMBYS who think the Haymarket Yards route is a safe and acceptable cycle route and it just takes "confidence", "being sensible" and a helmet to navigate them with safety. The evidence to date flies in the face of this, but it can't but help to continue to add to it. (Even if evidence seems out of the window when it comes to the Haymarket to Roseburn route)
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jules878
That bit is uncycleable. And I speak as someone whose definition of 'cycleable' is pretty broad.
Suggesting it as part of a cycle super highway or national network is plain bonkers.
I hope you and your bike are alright.
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Previous threads on tram tracks at Haymarket -
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10912
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11420
Plus that video -
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I wondered how to report and to whom, so thanks for info. I will do that. I thought my crash pertinent to ongoing debate re Roseburn.
I am badly bruised as is my pride. Clothing torn. But neither me or bike broken.
I was wearing cycle helmet which saved my skull. My face/skull bounced of pavement. I have "fat lip", but my head and teeth survived.
A few pedestrians rushed to my rescue which was very kind. One kept saying over and over she was glad I'd been wearing helmet. (I didn't think about taking her details. Now I wish I had done so cos she might have been able to explain more clearly what actually happened.)
After sitting on the web kerb for few minutes "to give myself a moment" I was able to continue my journey somewhat cautiously.
I'm not going to be happy crossing those tracks again. Especially when it is wet. :(
As I said I've crossed those tracks many times, and I think the drizzle, and thus greasy road/slippery metal tracks were the major factor in my accident.
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@jules878 - I join those urging you to write to the tram people in the council copying in Spokes. Spokes keeps records of accidents on the tram lines. Around Haymarket Yards is a particular black spot.
Re PG - he who wears a helmet when standing on the pavement demonstrating. The other morning I saw him cycling through Muireston Terrace - very banked up. He was wriggling through the cars & WAS NOT WEARING A HELMET.
Because of the mess on Fountainbridge I tried commuting along the A8 this morning. The Roseburn Street/Terrace intersection really is awful so I diverted through Roseburn Gardens and Place. What a nightmare is Roseburn Terrace. The Cake shop van parked half on the pavement, half on the road.
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Rosie: the only time I've seen him on a bike he wasn't wearing a helmet.
And I have severa pictures of the cake shop ban on the pavement, and also parked on the other side of the road during Greenway hours.
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New product for the Roseburn traders to stock.
Isn't capitalism wonderful?
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I'd forgotten, until someone pointed it out on Twitter, that the Mazda showroom at Roseburn has been taken over and is now a supercar showroom.
Residents of the area worried by pollution appear untroubled by a place selling V8 muscle cars.
Not sure a large picture frame would fit into a Lamborghini.
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Lambo aventad has a lower nox than a typical Mazda 6 2.2 lambo is a quater oddly enough 12 per km compared to 47 per km.
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https://twitter.com/livia1521/status/778145267187064832
Traffic was queuing back to Western Corner from Roseburn this morning. I was walking in the area at 9am, although I didn't see the head of the queue to see if there was any unusual obstruction.
Why on earth do people voluntarily drive into the centre? Are they working? Collecting washing machines from John Lewis? All doing school runs?Posted 7 years ago # -
@LivD I went along that way this morning in opposite direction but there was nothing particular causing a blockage, just the usual too many OLASOVs trying to turn right into Roseburn Street / Russell Road.
(* = Otherwise Law Abiding Single Occupant Vehicles)
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"Why on earth do people voluntarily drive into the centre? "
Because they can?
Because they've paid/are paying for the car so they're going to use it?
Because they can't imagine doing anything else?
Because all their friends/neighbours/family do the same?
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I wonder how many of the drivers are coming from outside Edinburgh?
"Why on earth do people voluntarily drive into the centre?A colleague who sits next to me drives from Blackhall to Lothian Road every day. A journey that would be two stops on the bus and a five minute walk. They also go to the gym every night, so fitness isn't a problem for them.
The provision of a "free" car parking space means there isn't an incentive to do anything else.
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It may be cross town traffic as not many places to park in the centre. If the cars were measured that pass the McDonalds in princesses street, how many would be out of town how many Edinburgh, I would guess most are the Edinburgh area
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"cross town traffic"
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Why on earth do people voluntarily drive into the centre?
Because of the numerous cross town routes. Because of the numerous junctions like Haymarket, Lothian Rd/WAR, Lothian Rd/Charlotte Sq, North Br/Leith St which are all designed to accommodate as many cars as possible.
The more I look at Edinburgh, the more I see a city designed around the car.
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