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Lightweight commuter bike ideas?

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  • Started 8 years ago by sallyhinch
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  1. sallyhinch
    Member

    The other half has permitted me to look for a bike for him for Christmas (he is suspicious of my attempts to turn him into an actual cyclist). He currently does a half-and-half commute - drives to the edge of town, parks, and then cycles the rest of the way to avoid the congestion, a distance of about 3 miles, but including a sharp hill.

    His current bike is an 80s vintage Peugot road bike which is very light and beautiful but also quite highly geared and which is not allowed to be sullied with anything practical such as mudguards or a rack (it's pictured here). The plus side of it is that it's easy to take the front wheel off and throw it in the back of our hatchback, the downside is he ends up not riding it in the rain because of the lack of mudguards and it's when it rains that the congestion is really bad.

    Ideally he'd like a bike that was as light and easy to get in and out of the car but which would look OK with mudguards, a chain guard and maybe a rack (he currently uses a backpack). Before you suggest it, he has nixed a folding bike. It also has to look 'cool', whatever that means...

    Any suggestions?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    That bike isn't meant to have mudguards...

    How big is the car? (Presume he puts that in the car with front wheel off?)

    Budget?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    Does he not realise he's too old to look cool?

    He should try my folder - aces hills.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. wingpig
    Member

    Well, if he's going to have proper mudguards then the removal of the front wheel would have less of an overall-bike-bulk-reducing effect, perhaps mitigated by smaller wheels and/or narrowish bars.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    The specialised Sirrus is a very light flat bar bike that takes a rack and mudguards. It is about £500? Ridgeback tour 16 is similar price, but heavier but has rack and fenders on it already and the revolution cross15 is £399. Rack and mudguard compatible.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    I like the look of the Ridgeback...

    I did try and tell him that passing teenagers shout 'cool bike' at me on my Brompton but he wouldn't believe they weren't being sarcastic.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Charterhall
    Member

    Gravel bikes are currently the in thing in bike shops, lightweight and sporty, they often make great commuter bikes. Ditto some (but not all) cross bikes.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    Sally, has he ever ridden a folder that's not a Brompton?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. sallyhinch
    Member

    It's his Christmas present, I've learned from experience to give the man what he says he wants, not what I think he ought to want ...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    What he says he wants:

    "light and easy to get in and out of the car but which would look OK with mudguards, a chain guard and maybe a rack"

    Hmmm.

    Sounds like a traditional roadster, except for the weight. Very few sportier bikes or even tourers have chain guards, due to derailleurs, multiple chainrings, etc. Unless you go for something with an internal hub gear.

    Halfords used to do a Carrera Subway 8 speed Nexus based commuter bike, but I don't think it's available any more. Intriguingly, there seems to be a 3 speed hub gear version of the Raleigh Pioneer; the Raleigh Elan looks very similar except with full chain guard and dynamo lights: like a modern version of the classic 3 speed roadster. The Scott Sub Retro 10 is a similar idea, with 7 speeds, in British racing green with colour matched rear rack and just under 500 quid. The Dawes Urban Express 7 is a very similar bike, with 7 gears but no mudguards or lights. Then there's the Hey Cycle Men 7 Speed, which seems to have roller brakes, and mudguards as standard. Nearly half price on Wiggle just now. There's also the Cube Hyde Pro 8 speed for just over 500 quid, looks nice but you need to buy your own mudguards.

    The above are all straight handlebar hybrids essentially,

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. sallyhinch
    Member

    PS the car is a 5-door Peugot 207 hatchback if that helps at all.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. SRD
    Moderator

    "Give the man what he says he wants"

    I get that. Just can't see how getting a 'normal' bike in and out of a hatchback is even remotely convenient, in comparison to flipping a bike open/closed.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. sallyhinch
    Member

    He can do it pretty handily, I've seen him do it quicker than I can unfold my Brompton, frankly. It's a quick release wheel. The mudguard may complicate things a little of course.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. wingpig
    Member

    The back end of the rear mudguard would also require more care over where it is put compared to a bare wheel.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. sallyhinch
    Member

    True, that. I can see a bike shop panicking as we take a bike out for a test ride and then start loading it into our car ...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. nevelbell
    Member

    My wife got a Whyte commuter from EBC, very, very light for the price.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. fimm
    Member

    You can get lightweight mudguards that are designed to go on a lightweight road bike. However I don't think they'd stand up to being put in and out of a car very well. I'd certainly look at bikes that tick other boxes and which can be fitted with mudguards post-sale.

    The chain guard is much more of a problem, for reasons given up-thread.

    I can well believe that he can drop a front, quick-release wheel off and put a light bike into the boot of a car very quickly - light bikes are very light!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    Presume this is through the rear door with seats folded?

    Shouldn't be a problem with front wheel off.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. wingpig
    Member

    Old bikes also lack those protruberant flanges designed to stop improperly-secured wheels from escaping; merely levering open modern quick-release levers is sometimes insufficient to get enough slack to remove the wheel, requiring a bit of unspinning.

    Take him to a Brompton shop for a look but prime the staff first to act really impressed at how cool he looks astride one?

    A quick internet scrobble throws up "Foffa" as a manufacturer of rack/guard-capable hub-geared chaincaseable things which have the same skinny look as old racing frames.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. Dave
    Member

    You can just file off the tabs on the fork so the QR works as originally intended though. I've never bothered to do this since "tool free release" is enough for my purposes, but I wouldn't hesitate if I regularly removed a front wheel as in the scenario given.

    WRT the OP, I think a chaincase is a non-starter. It would mean going single-speed or hub gear and I don't recommend either (reliability in the latter case - I can expand at great length, but that's the cliff notes version)

    It looks like you could fit a full rear mudguard on the bike pictured (fork clearance hard to judge!) so another option might just be to try one of the various race bike front guards and see how you get on?

    I just built up a Planet X London Road. It has full guards and so on and the posse at November PY seemed to feel it was quite light. (I don't actually know what it weighs. Maybe 10kg?)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. wingpig
    Member

    "It would mean going single-speed or hub gear and I don't recommend either..."

    But it's for

    "...a distance of about 3 miles, but including a sharp hill"

    not an extended commute at a punishing pace.

    Lesser alternative is going for something with only one chainring, so you can at least attach a chainring guard.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. sallyhinch
    Member

    A chainring guard might do, as opposed to a full guard (although I like the look of a belt drive...) He cycles in his work clothes but the office dress code is casual so we're talking jeans & trainers, not a suit.

    He's ridden my Brompton and wasn't that keen on the ride. He might be more impressed by Sara's folding bike which does have a much more sporty feel to it, but I think his mind is made up on that one.

    For longer rides/fun he'll stick to his existing bike.

    I like those Foffas.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    If it was me I would buy something like this Mass Columbus Altec 2 aluminium frameset which would build up into a sub 20lb bike with a second-hand groupset and Shimano RS31 wheels for less than £600.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Actually you can get chainguards that work with derailleurs (max chainring 48T) -

    http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/fitting-a-chain-guard-to-your-bike

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    The Genesis borough 2015 is for sale at freeborn.co.uk for £499 in 54cm or56cm
    (Though could not get from the sale to the actual basket )
    Flat bar with mudguards and rack.

    The Genesis borough 2016 dearer and almost mixte frame. In either 9 speed single front chainring, or three speed sturmey archer or alfine hub gear

    All four say with chain guard but the pictures Suggest they just men's the guard ring at the front. The first one is a good bargain. Also in racing green the new season ones are a bit more farrow and ball. Molojinir chromoly frame.
    The new ones are 13 kg or 14kg for the hub gear. Lighter than the pashley.

    You can while away the hours in the Genesis website looking at their range. Many of their drop handlebar bikes are ready for mudguard and racks. There is also a tour de fer that is flat barred. The chain guard mostly gone. Think only pashley in all the ones I have mentioned has fully encased chain. Pashley very heavy.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Stickman
    Member

    Bobbin Beat: 7-speed, mudguards, chain guard, can take a rack, £360

    http://www.bobbinbikes.co.uk/beat/

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    Here's quite a nice bike from Raleigh: the Wayfarer. 3 speed SRAM hub gears, stylish mudguards, partial chain guard, cream Schwalbe Little Big Ben tyres, Selle Italia saddle.

    Full details here:

    http://www.cyclelane.co.uk/m7b40s352p9273/RALEIGH-WAYFARER-2015/RS_GB/38932

    Best price at Discount Bicycles though:

    http://www.discountbicycles.co.uk/biz/product.php?xProd=44479

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Stickman
    Member

    Or another Raleigh, the Pioneer 3: mudguards, rack, chain guard.

    http://www.raleigh.co.uk/ProductType/ProductRange/Product/Default.aspx?pc=1&pt=266&pg=10867

    My wife has the step-through version and it's a cracking bike for the money. As recommended by Hart's Cyclery.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. sallyhinch
    Member

    ooh, those all look rather fetching. Must see if any of them appeal to him. The Bobbin bikes are real eye candy aren't they? But the Raleigh is quite striking too

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. sallyhinch
    Member

    Just checked the weights though - the Bobbin is 14.5kg, & the Wayfarer 17kg!

    Posted 8 years ago #

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