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Deliveroo suicidal cyclists

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  1. Boab08
    Member

    Posted this on Deliveroo's Facebook page and tweeted it.

    Dear Deliveroo, I just witnessed two of your delivery cyclists nearly losing their lives by cycling down the left hand side of a double decker bus pulling into to the bus stop. Not only that one of the cyclists had no lights or hi-vis gear on. Surely as an employer you should provide your cyclists with adequate lights and high visibility jackets. The cyclist with no lights also just about got hit by a motorist turning right. If he had lights, he might have been spotted. Your moped riders are bad enough, never mind #Suicidal cyclists too!!!

    Thoughts?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    Lose the "high-vis" bit. If it was in daylight, lose the "lights" bit - you saw them, so they were visible as they were. Lose two or three of the exclamation marks.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Their riders are probably 'self employed' and contractually obliged to provide any safety equipment themselves.

    HOWEVER...

    surely the company has a legal obligation to carry out a Risk Assessment, that should obligate them to inspect their riders bikes/clothing to ensure they comply with company policy and the law?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. neddie
    Member

    Why stop at providing them with hi-viz and lights? Why not provide them with 3 tonnes of steel 'safety' cage as well?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. jdanielp
    Member

    A cyclist with a surprisingly large Deliveroo box on his back undertook me on the pedestrian side of the footpath on Bruntsfield Links the other night before veering onto the cycle path, almost into the path of another cyclist. He cycled away into the distance and I soon forgot about him. However, a couple of minutes later I saw him again, traversing the grass in the direction of Melville Drive before flagging down a pedestrian to ask for directions. Shortly afterwards he set off again towards Tollcross...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. Arellcat
    Moderator

    company policy and the law?

    Even company policy may be based on gut feelings (aka "surely it's common sense?!"*) that interfere with truly objective risk assessment, whereas the law states the minimum requirements.

    * see magic hats and magic paint.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    "cyclist with a surprisingly large Deliveroo box on his back"

    Backpack or rack?

    Seen pizza delivery style motor scooters but not bicycles.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. Sorry @Arellcat, I'm not sure I understand the point your making.

    Is it that the company shouldn't have a policy on their riders'bikes clothing (because that policy may be based on unsubstantiated or unproven "common sense" (which isn't really all that sensible))?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    As far as I know, Deliveroo is a local food delivery service modelled on the likes of Uber. Their delivery drivers are self-employed contractors and get given a Deliveroo T-shirt (or whatever), an ID badge, and a Deliveroo box for the back of their bike. They then use an app on their phones to know what business to pick up and where to take it and they're ready to go. They provide their own bikes/scooters, clothing etc. and from what I've seen tweeted, their own lights and work gear (helmets, gloves, waterproofs, whatever)

    Of course I could be wrong about that...

    Anyway, my limited encounters with Deliveroo have all been scooters, either hanging about on George Street waiting for business or cutting through cycle only sections or turns and generally making a bit of a nuisance of themselves.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. chrisfl
    Member

    Just had a quick look at the Deliveroo website, apparently they're hiring either Scooters (£7.25/hr + petrol + tips) or bicycles (£6/hr + £1 per drop + tips)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. jdanielp
    Member

    @chdot a backpack of sorts! I'm not sure it was designed for that; it didn't look comfortable or all that safe :\

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. dougal
    Member

    I looked recently and the bike thing must be new; they were only taking scooter couriers a few weeks ago.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. LaidBack
    Member

    We're getting modal shift... but not exactly to plan.

    I already 'know' to expect low standards of road use from (m)any vehicle users with Deliveroo branding. That's all I know about them. It's kind of them to identify themselves.
    I rate them in 'taxi-minus' zone....

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. Boab08
    Member

    This was at 6pm last night. Although I was in my car at the time. I'm a daily cyclist and was generally shocked at the cycling skills on display.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. wingpig
    Member

    Fine about the lights, then, as they're a legal requirement for all road users by that time at this time of year at this latitude.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Boab08
    Member

    It was both their lack of awareness on the Mound by cycling down the left hand side of one of Lothian's finest buses. The bus had to break sharply to avoid hiting them. Then the motorist didn't spot him as he turned right down Market Street. That is the motorist's fault. But having front lights might have prevented the latter incident. As employers they have a duty of care to their employees and the general public.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. Nelly
    Member

    If deliveroo dafty management think it's OK, then let them carry on until the inevitable happens.

    As for the cyclists, are we to chase down every ninja in Marchmont too? If they are too stupid to have lights in the dark, maybe they are on the next Darwin awards - their choice.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. ivangrozni
    Member

    Arrived home this evening on my bike with a moped hot on my (w)heels. When I stopped outside my builing- so did the moped.

    "You look fairly professional," he says. "You looking for a job?"

    It seems he was trying to recruit me for Deliveroo!! Not sure if he had a delivery or if he had actually tailed me right down the cul de sac to catch me!

    Should I be flattered or worried?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. acsimpson
    Member

    I wonder if they pay professional salaries.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. Tulyar
    Member

    Discussion in cycle logistic circles is that the Deliveroo rates may be below National Minimum Wage, and the claim that the riders are self employed could be challenged as the operator is through the way the service is presented to the user creating the impression that delivery is made by a person who to all intent, appears to be working as an employee or agent of Deliveroo. Any forumites up to speed on employment law and implied contracts?

    There appears to be no design consideration on safety or stability of the carrying systems nor any corporate due diligence to ensure these systems are used in a correct and safe manner. I'm not sure about the weights that are carried in the backpack boxes, but their crude harness means that the weight is very poorly loaded on the body, and far from stable. The size of the pack is such that I suspect the limits for a load carried on the back set out in the HSC Manual Handling Regulations may be exceeded in certain conditions.

    If there is an incident then I suspect that Deliveroo will have a section 2 liability for any harm to their pseudo-employee and through the chain of command will be the principal client for any section 3 action when harm is caused to a member of the public.

    I'll need to check back the references but Domino's Pizza quietly dropped their "Delivery within 30 minutes or it's on us" following 2 multi million $ actions when their freelance drivers crashed cars attempting to deliver to a time pressured schedule. Not being the employer or direct operator did not stop the law placing the liability squarely at the door of the principal party in the causal action.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. Min
    Member

    I have seen a few around with what looks like a refrigerator strapped to their backs. It looks awful.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Thanks for that, Tulyar. I have foresworn using them as their scooterists behave like swine and their cyclists appear to be treated worse than the average Mexican burro

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. Ed1
    Member

    I have been overtaken by the deliveroo cyclist before seemed to be a good cyclist seems a good idea. I supose like delivery drivers some are good some are bad.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. dougal
    Member

    Deliveroo couriers getting political:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/11/deliveroo-couriers-demonstrate-against-new-contract

    "Deliveroo is embroiled in a pay row with its couriers after more than 100 riders staged a protest outside the company’s London offices in a dispute over a new wage structure.

    Couriers are rebelling against plans to pay workers £3.75 per delivery instead of an hourly rate of £7 plus £1 per delivery"

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. jonty
    Member

    In London before Christmas I spotted one Deliveroo cyclist apparently training two new recruits and mentioned to the people I was with that I'd recently heard about how their cyclists aren't receiving adequate training or equipment to cycle safely. Literally seconds after I'd finished, we all watched as the "trainer" drifted over a give way line straight into the path of a small lorry. It only just managed to stop in time and the cyclist remained oblivious throughout.

    I hope their training has improved since!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. jdanielp
    Member

    I was sat at the window of Doctors pub overlooking Forrest Road the other night and was surprised by the number of people cycling the wrong way up it to cross to the Meadows, including Deliveroo cyclists. In fact, the sheer number of cyclists out in the pouring rain was quite impressive.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. LaidBack
    Member

    jdanielp i know it's a 'wrong' and illegal thing to do. Is quite common though. I often sit at ASL and witness people cycle onto pavement directly to Meadows as they are fearful of the bike lane in the middle of Bristo Place.
    I think they should have a two way bike lane through Forrest Road and make the road a bus only street in one direction. Private traffic could go round long way. Only thing is the decorative cobbles and trees would get the chop! There is a demand as this is the gateway to MMW and could raise cycling use even more.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. 14Westfield
    Member

    Also on the BBC report of this - they charge £2.59 for delivery yet purpose to pay couriers £3.75 -- how does that work?! Can online advertising/ brand really be worth that much?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. ih
    Member

    " I think they should have a two way bike lane through Forrest Road and make the road a bus only street in one direction. "

    I don't think that goes far enough. I think they should make Forrest Road free of motor vehicles (with possibly delivery only during strict limited quiet times and to behave as guests in an otherwise bicycle street with wide footways). Motor vehicles would only use Teviot Place and Bristo Place both 2 ways. This would inevitably reduce traffic in that whole area from Chambers St right through the university area, which would be a very good thing.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. jonty
    Member

    Sounds a lot like the Spokes plan, which I definitely agree with. Very 20th century to waste two "parallel" roads on cars.

    Either way, something ought to be done as it kind of ruins the fantastic Meadows corridor to just dump people in one of the most hostile road environments in Edinburgh.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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