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St James Redevelopment

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  1. gdm
    Member

    Not sure if this has been posted already - the designs for the redevelopment of the St James Centre.

    http://www.ntbcc.org.uk/here2/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/QRG.pdf

    Leaving aside the bronze swirly turd adorning the hotel, the plans note the redevelopment of Leith Street which would conceivable require significant reconstruction of the pavement/roadside areas and bus stop, so potential opportunities for broader consultation/comment about pedestrian and cycling access and provision.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. ih
    Member

    Can anyone help me with where the (artist's) view on page 4 of the brochure is taken from? I can't make it out.

    The before and after views of Leith Street show a depressing number of cars, but if you look very carefully, you can see one bike. Some aspects of Leith Street show promise though if followed through; removal of barrier, pedestrian crossing at Calton Road. "We" need to insist that there is bicycle egress there too north towards Picardy Place.

    The overhead view doesn't appear to show any bicycle access/permiability which so cheered Spokes in the early days.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. PS
    Member

    @ih The page 4 perspective is from the north east. The grey box just in front of the Technicolor new development is the toilet block(?) at the corner of St James Place and Cathedral Lane, with the John Lewis Collection place to its left. You can see a grey Balmoral behind the top of the new curly hotel.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. ih
    Member

    Thanks @PS. I think I've just about got it. There does seem a big discrepancy between the page 1 view from the SW and the page 4 view from the NE. From the latter, there's an awful lot of stuff before that semi-circular sweep around the swirly turd.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. LivD
    Member

    Hoho, spot the Edingburgh typo...(in the pdf).

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. jonty
    Member

    The left turn from Leith Street to Waterloo Place is banned at the moment, with cones put out to angle the corner more sharply to prevent them. Not quite sure why - my theory that it was to give pedestrians more waiting capacity on the already crammed corner while the West footway is closed can't be right, because there are barriers there to specifically prevent that. Perhaps it's to give more time to safely cross Waterloo Place? Seems tenuous though unless they've messed with the green man cycle (and the development doesn't really seem to care enough about pedestrians to ban a turn for them.)

    Spare a thought however for those ascending Broughton Street who have been told to divert via London Road and Regent Street - the circuitousness of the detour suggested might actually justify an angry letter to EEN...once they get back.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    There's a Regent St as close by as, eh, Portobello Jonty

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. jonty
    Member

    Yes yes. Poetic license etc.

    Although more likely that someone might actually end up going there.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Fountainbridge
    Member

    Developers said they would be increasing the capacity for pedestrians at that junction during works. I haven't been down to have a look yet.

    There's very little traffic that turns left from Leith street in to Waterloo place anyway.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. jonty
    Member

    Yeah - it should be banned permanently really.

    I'll have to pay attention and see if it's now a green man across Waterloo Place when traffic is going up and down Leith Street, because it seems like they've actually tried hard to ensure no extra space is given to pedestrians.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    "it seems like they've actually tried hard to ensure no extra space is given to pedestrians."

    Bus route = get of jail free card.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. jonty
    Member

    What's surprising is that the road space isn't being used by anyone (even buses) as it's been coned off on one side and barriered on the other.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Min
    Member

    JontyI'll have to pay attention and see if it's now a green man across Waterloo Place when traffic is going up and down Leith Street,

    Lol. Very funny! :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. jonty
    Member

    Yep - checked today and your cynicism is justified.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Yeah - it should be banned permanently really.

    I actually use it (or used to use it) quite a lot when travelling out of town, because Calton Hill is down-only, and because turning right from Regent Road to Abbeymount is easier than turning right from London Road to Easter Road.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. jonty
    Member

    Obviously in this universe the segregated bike paths originally planned for East-West would be built and would allow left turns :)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. chdot
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  18. chdot
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  19. Ed1
    Member

    the new st james looks like a dog mess in that pic

    Posted 11 months ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    The "ribbon" hotel's not been branded "the bronze turd" for nothing...

    Posted 11 months ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

  22. Fountainbridge
    Member

    Demolition (with large construction vehicles) started at the end of November.

    EEN staff don't seem to be allowed out the office too often. They live off tweets and press releases.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

  24. PS
    Member

    "Leith St stramash coming soon"

    TH Real Estate – developer of the new St James Quarter – aims to partially shut Leith Street to most traffic for up to 44 weeks between the 2017 and 2018 Edinburgh Festivals.
    ...
    During this period, the street will remain open to pedestrians and cyclists, with access for emergency services maintained throughout. An enhanced diversion route, with increased capacity, will be put in place for all other traffic in order to reduce congestion within the city centre, whilst access to Greenside Row and Calton Road will also be maintained for local businesses and parking.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  25. nedd1e_h
    Member

    Time to close it permanently as a through-route for private motors

    Posted 8 months ago #
  26. Klaxon
    Member

    Time to dig this out again (SUSTRANS hypothetical road masterplan)

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/files/Ideas%20for%20Picardy%20Place%20DLV2.pdf

    Posted 8 months ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    "Spurtle has no new information on an ‘enhanced diversion route, with increased capacity’, but we would expect to see increased volumes of traffic using London and Easter Roads and Royal Terrace, Queen Street, Hanover Street and the Mound."

    Oh great...

    I suspect the diversion westbound/southbound will be via Regent Road. There goes a quietish cycling road for most of a year.....at least my walk to the station will be less polluted and hazardous than usual.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  28. Rob
    Member

    "I suspect the diversion westbound/southbound will be via Regent Road. There goes a quietish cycling road for most of a year"

    So much space for segregation. It would be awesome if part of the plan included temporary rubber kerbing.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  29. But where will those who have been able to park unchallenged for years on the double-reds and in the active bus lane on Leith Street park?!!

    Any bets they'll somehow find a way to remain where they are? ;-)

    Posted 8 months ago #
  30. nedd1e_h
    Member

    The SUSTRANS hypothetical road masterplan is such a great idea.

    Good find, Klaxon

    Posted 8 months ago #

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