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I do know that. The point is that Lothian Buses' web site still says that Lothian Country services only accept cash or m-tickets, when according to that EEN article they started accepting contactless more than two months ago.
I didn't even know that Lothian Country had its own web site (I do now). The Lothian Buses web site lists Lothian Country as one of LB's services (or part of "The Lothian Family" according to the LB web site's page footer), and includes information about Lothian Country's routes, timetables and ticketing. It's just that (a) the ticketing information on LB's site is out of date, and (b) nowhere that I can find on LB's site is there a link to Lothian Country's site where the correct information is provided.
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Another fail on the Lothian Buses web site: I was passed by a number 400 Skylink bus this morning which bore a large sticker next to the door stating that contactless payments were accepted on board. The LB web site's ticketing page still says that, on the airport routes, contactless is only available on the Airlink 100. (Mind you, it fails to mention the Skylink 400 entirely, which is another indication of how out-of-date it is.)
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Just got a 140 from Loanhead to Bonnyrigg. Bus was East Coast branded, had a contactless reader and contactless vinyls advertising the service. No idea if it was usuable though as haven't seen any official info that it's usable on anything beyond the airlinks just now
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Lothian Country Buses are accepting contactless payment on their West Lothian services, AFAIK.
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Despite buses accounting for three-quarters of all public transport journeys, the sector has suffered as a result of soaring fare prices and increased road congestion.
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Lots of the new big buses around today on Queen Street. I was a bit concerned by the little rear lights that stick out either side on 6 inch (slightly bendy) stalks at the back corners.
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“Lots of the new big buses around”
Saw one in service with rear wheels raised, why?
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Sounds like a lift axle - lowered spreads weight, raised = easier for turning.
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On lorries I thought all wheels were down when loaded, how does it work with buses?
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@gkgk I think I saw somewhere that the lights on stalks are to help the driver get a full feeling of the corners of the bus (can see them in their mirrors). So although they look intrusive they are actually a safety feature.
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Hall’s ambition has been to create a passenger environment that that will lure people out of their cars and help stem the current 4% year-on-year decline in patronage on Lothian’s city network.
“We will not be content to sit there and see our business change, so we have to innovate in terms of how we carry our customers, the product we offer our customers,” he explained to Michael Matheson, Scotland’s transport secretary, in a meeting prior to the handover ceremony. “How do we entice people out of their cars without using purgatory measures to do so?”
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http://www.passengertransport.co.uk/2018/11/lothian-thinks-big-with-100-seat-tri-axles/
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@gkbk: Sounds like a lift axle
I am reliably informed that the XLB400s do not have lift rear axles.
Not sure what @chdot saw, but it wasn't that.
P.S. I think Mr Hall meant "punitive", not "purgatory". The only sense of "purgatory" as an adjective that the OED admits is "having the quality of cleansing or purifying" e.g as of a purgative. Although I suppose dosing motorists with powerful laxatives could be quite effective in getting them out of their vehicles, at least for brief intervals... (He might have meant "purgatorial", but even that implies a state of suffering before eventually going to heaven, which I doubt was precisely the sense he intended.)
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“Not sure what @chdot saw”
The two rearmost wheels off the ground on a bus in service. (I think.)
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“How do we entice people out of their cars without using purgatory measures to do so?”
Modal filters and bus gates are not punitive towards cars - just look to the continent.
It should be possible to drive into the city and pay for parking (not free), but never to drive through the city
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@chdot: Sorry, should have written "Not sure of the explanation for what chdot saw."
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Ah!
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@LivD : that's interesting, about the light being a driving aid, makes sense. I would not like to be hit by it. It's not that bendy.
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"Not sure of the explanation for what chdot saw."
The rearmost wheels aren't quite in line with the other rear wheels (see photo on link) - perhaps leading to an optical illusion?
https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2019/02/routes-for-our-new-enviro400xlb-revealed/
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“perhaps leading to an optical illusion?”
Mmm
Don’t think so
Was overtaken then saw from behind
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The mystery of chdot's bus wheel experience...
Was the lifted wheel rotating or stationary?
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Well assuming it ever happened, stationary
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“How do we entice people out of their cars
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without using purgatory measures to do so?”
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Which of course is a BIG part of the problem - ‘can’t do anything that might upset motorists’.
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Most tri-axle PSV's are rear steer with rear steering axle single tyres & inner axle twin.
Rear steer is needed on a 15m PSV as its generally longer wheelbase than HGV's so will have severe tyre scrub, wearing out tyres AND roads. The rear steering only operates at lower speeds, as drifting & less tight turning at speed. There was IIRC at least one (fatal) incident where a tri-axle coach flipped into it's side, and the rear steering inhibitor system had not disabled it
The indicator stalks are pretty common in trailers & larger vehicles. Army trucks often have vertical 'whips' with a golf ball on top to mark the front extremities
if the ball wobbles you are about to make a big dent in somethingPosted 5 years ago # -
Most tri-axle PSV's are rear steer with rear steering axle single tyres & inner axle twin.
Rear steer is needed on a 15m PSV as its generally longer wheelbase than HGV's so will have severe tyre scrub, wearing out tyres AND roads. The rear steering only operates at lower speeds, as drifting & less tight turning at speed. There was IIRC at least one (fatal) incident where a tri-axle coach flipped into it's side, and the rear steering inhibitor system had not disabled it
The indicator stalks are pretty common in trailers & larger vehicles. Army trucks often have vertical 'whips' with a golf ball on top to mark the front extremities
if the ball wobbles you are about to make a big dent in somethingPosted 5 years ago # -
Most tri-axle PSV's are rear steer
It's not strictly-speaking rear-steer on those buses. It's just that the rear axle and wheels follow the track defined by the front and inner axle, to avoid tyre scrub.
A true rear-steer allows the rear wheels to turn in the opposite direction to the front wheels at low speeds, enabling tighter turns and, conversely, in the same direction to the front wheel at high speeds, enabling more stable lane 'drifting'
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How much bigger are the new jumbo buses compared to existing double deckers?
I was on the top deck of a standard double decker alongside a new one and it didn't look perceptively* bigger. The seats looks more crammed in though.
*it's hard to compare the front & back of the bus from a seated position.
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