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LB E-bike offer.
@Arobcomp already asked about this on someone's behalf.
Shop has a Nihola STEPS demo not doing a lot. It's quite good with lots of adjust to share if required. Free to borrow if anyone needs. Would be good for a key worker but we only have this one. (Plus new one in box).
Ideal for a less confident or less strong rider with low step over height so easy to use. E-xercise!
As used by @Dave for family trailer. Our one has 32mm road tyres and less mud on it.
@LB
What’s the frame size on the Nihola?
@neddie - approx 54cm - only made in one size hence our sales to a bike hire co.
Tyres / wheels are 32 x 700c so rolls nice over rubbish surfaces.
Fun bike.
Fits me - 6’2”
With little better to do in the current situation, I performed a wholly unscientific experiment a couple of days ago. On day one I rode a short local route on my eMTB, on the lowest assistance setting (which is the setting I normally use). On the second day I rode almost the same route (I forgot the final short loop around the local park, but did include the stiffest climbs) on my Tricross.
My Garmin reported that on the eMTB I covered 8.34km in 28m1s and used 281 calories in doing so. On the Tricross I covered 7.87km in 28m5s and used 319 calories. So, very roughly, on the eMTB I used ~17% fewer calories per km than on the unassisted bike, and my average speed was ~6% higher. My peak heart rate on the eMTB was ~4% lower, and my average heart rate ~7% lower.
I'm not sure whether I expected the assistance to have more of an effect than that. I may repeat the experiment a few more times to see how much variance I get in the results.
I suppose it might be interesting to try riding the route on the eMTB with the assistance turned off. "Try" probably being the approporiate word in that case - it's a heck of a lump compared to the Tricross...
What's the %difference in weight between the bike+rider combination in the two cases?
I think it would be interesting to try the route on the same bike with and without assistance, as then you're eliminating quite a few variables. It would also be interesting to see the effect of using different assistance levels. Are you using a power meter, or is that Strava estimating your power output: I can imagine it would get confused by a motor.
Are e-bikes still trending? Not as aware of them out on road as I'd expect. Or are e-bike users paths people?
@Hartscyclery seems to sell at least one Gazelle a day but how many are e-Gazelles? Wonder if he can share roughly what he thinks is happening.
Plenty bikes on roads balerno
E folder and standard e bike spotted this a.m.
I was passed by a man on an e-bike going up the Granites climb from Innerleithen.
This was last Wednesday when it was baking hot: this chap had a jacket and long trousers on, he must have been ROASTING.
My Dad has just electrified his Brompton, and it's a very lovely bit of kit. Front hub motor, three power settings, and a sort of Thermos flask style battery that mounts on the frame instead of in the front bag.
We recently put a front hub motor on our recumbent tandem. It has made a massive difference to our enjoyment - this is our fun bike. Some of the steep hills in the Borders were full gas efforts before which as the stronger of the two of us, came mostly down to me to put in the effort required (it's a 30KG+ bike and my wife is very small and not that strong), now we can pootle up 15% hills with a HR of around 110 instead of 150 or 160 (e.g. Lauder Hill out of Stow).
It basically means I can go out and have fun with my wife who struggles strength wise on such a heavy bike, and not be completely destroyed by the effort I need to put in when climbing all the steep Borders hills.
It's a cheapish kit that has cables all over the place, and is not torque based, so it's not an entirely natural pedal feeling. More of a gentle 'push' on top of whatever you are putting in that kicks in when you're going up hills.
I never thought I'd see the day but I really like it.
Hypothetically speaking... if one were looking for a really light Ebike, would one of these Ribble hybrids be a nice idea?
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-hybrid-al-e/
I have culled 3 bikes from my garage recently so n+1 is really n-2 :)
I’ve ridden a big beast of an ebike (can’t lift it up a flight of stairs or onto a car carrier so it’s limited in where it can go). I want something that’s a bit more practical for manoeuvring but still helps me up hills. Will a rear Ebikemotion hub power feel very meagre compared to Bosch Active line? Perhaps a less supportive power system might help me get fitter though (I am NOT fit...)
LivM, you may already know of it, but if not, worth looking too at the new Specialized Turbo Vado SL range, if straight bars are okay for you. It's dearer (£2500), and I've never ridden one - they're brand new - but Specialized use this motor and software in their £10k road ebikes. Their big pitch is that the motor adds "2 x you" whereas their much heavier (non-SL) Vado range adds 4x.
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Incredibly light and maneuverable. Assists up to 28 mph.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wired.com/review/specialized-turbo-vado-sl-equipped/amp
Hmm, not here obviously!
Also
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SL stands for “super light,” and it is. I’m 5'2" and rode the small frame, which weighs 33 pounds—only a few pounds heavier than my steel mountain bike. Unlike the vast majority of ebikes, it’s light enough to hang on bike hooks in my shed, carry upstairs, or swing through my gate. That also makes it much easier to maneuver.
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The reviewer loves that bike - or maybe all her copy is like that?
Small motor but if frame very light then maybe that is ok. Nothing about battery life which is what I like to know when reading a review of an e-bike.
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Gocycle founder Richard Thorpe reflects on missed opportunities, long-term investments and incentivisation in an ever-growing sector First, a disclaimer: I founded our company in 2002 and we make electric bikes.
My point of view will, therefore, have biases; however, I like all bicycles and have owned, commuted on, and ridden traditional non-powered bikes
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https://www.micromobilitybiz.com/e-bikes-the-only-credible-long-term-alternative/amp
"It also has a hidden shock-absorbing spring that takes the force of any bumps and cushions the rider over rough terrain...20 millimeters of suspension in the bike’s head tube, under the handlebars. This doesn’t seem like it should work. After all, the head tube can't compress."
*cough* Flexstem *cough* Steve Parry Brompton
I triggered the speed limit warning signs as I crept up above 20 mph.
Because USA, and because EU limits.
I was watching the Laidback Bike Report yesterday and Fabrizio Cross was talking about his creation, the Electrom. Think maxi-scooter styled e-bike and you're not far off. Lovely drivetrain idea, and great for higher power areas, but likely a dead duck in a world of a 15mph power cutoff.
@Arellcat: likely a dead duck in a world of a 15mph power cutoff.
Well, strictly speaking the 15mph cutoff is only for pedelecs i.e. e-bikes that can be ridden w/o tax, insurance, or license.
I can understand the frustration/confusion that thinking too hard about the 15mph cutoff could lead to. But then I remember the 1970s when you could ride a "moped" on a provisional license. IIRC the law had been changed so that a low-powered motorcycle didn't have to have pedals to qualify as a moped. Cue the Yamaha FS1E and its ilk, followed by thousands of teenage wannabe tearaways tinkering with them to increase the power output (step 1: take a hammer and drift to the exhaust to remove the restrictor washer). The multiple phases of responses to the resulting moderate carnage ended up giving us the convoluted process we have today to qualify for a motorcycle licence - and have been seen by some as a deliberate move to put people off using them.
Call me a doom-monger, but I can foresee something similar happening if easing the regulations around the use of e-bikes on public roads isn't carried out with a degree of care, and reference to past experience. I already harbour a concern that the apparent eagerness to relax the regulations in order to encourage the use of e-scooters may yet end up taking us down a similar road.
@Chdot : 33lbs is 40% lighter than most mid-motor ebikes, tbf.
@Gembo : mention of battery in 3rd last paragraph but it's a general interest website review and they're reviewing a 28mph American variant not sold here, so I wouldn't put too much weight on it.
If I were in the spending £2-3k area, I'd want to read a heap of stuff. The owners' forum threads on electricbikereview.com are quite extensive.
"Gocycle founder Richard Thorpe...I like all bicycles and have owned, commuted on, and ridden traditional non-powered bikes
Richard Thorpe has previous, remember. He produced the very nice Mako recumbent touring bike in 1997, founded Karbon Kinetics and created the bonkers Mako TR recumbent trike in 2001, and did a lot of work as a consultant on composites for Formula One, before creating in 2002 what was known as the FoxEFolder, which gradually developed into the GoCycle.
“remember. He produced the very nice Mako recumbent touring bike“
No, internet doesn’t seem to either -
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Mako+recumbent+touring+bike
Riding along the Moor Road last week, I passed an older couple getting their bikes out of the car. He had a Colnago road bike and looked as if he had all the gear and quite a lot of an idea. She had a hybrid e-bike and was not dressed in team kit. I suspect that they were going for a ride together, something that her e-bike made possible without too much conflict.
@chdot, ah, well I suppose you do need to know where to look.
https://web.archive.org/web/19981202140149/http://www.bikeroute.com/AngleTech/MakoFoldingBent.htm
and a snippet on page 8 in RCN43:
http://recumbentcyclistnews.ca/RCN_043.pdf
(that lovely old house on page 31 is still there, btw!)
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The Mako Folding
Recumbent Bicycle
A true performance clwb, it weighs only
28 pounds and breaks down to
this size
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Impressive
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This vehicle has, misleadingly in our opinion, been described as an “electric bike” or “e-bike”. In the UK, this vehicle would in fact be classed as an electric motorbike, requiring full type approval, registration, tax, licence, insurance and a motorbike helmet to be worn.
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https://www.bicycleassociation.org.uk/news-press/simon-cowell-accident-ba-statement/
Spotted two homebrew electric motorbikes last night. The guy I saw before flying past roadies on the Minto Street drag in a big puffa jacket and his pal on a gold mountain bike doing 30 with his feet up.
There was a guy on gumtree selling modified mtb with kw+ out puts. For a while there was always one ad up suggesting that they were kept in stock.
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