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Examined my experience last night and there is certainly some kind of electro-mechanical resistance above 15.6mph.
Down to two bar on the battery, don't have the key to recharge it so the experiment is over. Need juice for the run back to Wester Hailes.
The electric full sus mtb I had a few weeks ago had no problems going over 49 kph (on a downhill road section) with massive knobbly tyres and a small top gear.
@gembo, other couriers are available. I'm not sure Her Majesty is very keen on bike sized parcels even when they don't contain potential incendiary devices.
@steveo
Perhaps I am weak? The thought has occurred to me often.
It was a steep hill and I was not pedalling so more likely to be released potential energy which I suspect store more off going up hill.
It was a steep hill and I was not pedalling
So - assuming a mid-drive system, which is usual for eMTBs - the motor wouldn't even have been involved. The freewheel in the rear hub would have decoupled the drive system so not even the cassette would have been turning.
My own very poorly designed and controlled experiment pedalling my Bosch-equipped eMTB at 30-odd kph on the flat revealed no obvious difference in feel between motor on but not assisting, and motor off. I am weak, so would expect to notice.
I suspect resistance will vary by system, especially depending on the drive type.
- the motor wouldn't even have been involved.
Yes, good point.
On a flat section going through town I was upto ~22kph and didn't notice the motor causing any problems.
@acsimpson, yes courier firm seems my next move. I was stymied by colleagues who thought they were being helpful suggesting e-bike Robert who is local allegedly but he did not get back to my email
Re: impact of electric bike, I did graphs and stuff having borrowed such a device from Laid Back Bikes of this parish.
https://www.darkerside.org/2019/10/what-difference-does-an-ebike-make/
Conclusion. Lots.
@DARKERSIDE, WITH BOX AND WHISKERS?
@GEMBO, YOU KNOW YOU LOVE IT.
@acsimpson, humourous I suppose in the context of e-bikes, but it comes at the expense of anyone for whom this is a very real issue, where their right to exist is constantly questioned by the media, social or otherwise, and babylonbee.com clearly has no idea of the sensitivities – or, more likely, is fully aware and has chosen to poke fun regardless.
@Arellcat, it sounds to me like they are drawing an analogy to male athletes competing in female events. Regardless of how you want to wrap it up, it is a real issue and has the potential to make a mockery of competition.
This isn't really chat for an e-bike thread, but the link was posted, so it feels necessary to say that - however light-hearted it might seem - the motorbike thing is a grubby transphobic joke, fresh from the same tree as similarly "light-hearted" jokes about marrying pets and siblings from back when equal marriage was the "real issue" that bigots could move on to when their usual chat was going out of fashion.
There may well be legitimate questions about how gender identity and professional sports mix, but they should be dealt with sensitively and delicately, not with a big swinging hammer which crudely ridicules the very existence of some of the most harshly treated people in modern society.
Worth noting that the Babylonbee champion bike link is from the same folks who brought us “lebron James suffers herniated disc while carrying entire team on his back“ and “world cup officials to spice up matches with mario kart power ups”.
They seem to be absurdists, rather than swinging big hammers against minorities.
E-bike is touted as playing field leveller (on this forum and elsewhere). My non-cycling obsessed spouse can keep up now etc. It is fun to cycle in a suit and whizz past Lycra louts though more people get the obvious assist then.
Acsimpson’s pal was selling for big bucks a road bike with invisible assist. I could wear my Lycra and keep up the hill climbers without them knowing.
Two broad statements pulling in different e-directions.
I'm sorry for any offence caused. Like cyclecommute.cc I took this as a lighthearted joke about the concept of athletes born with male bodies competing in female events. I realise that this was almost certainly the wrong thread for the post and if we are going to continue the discussion perhaps we should move to a new thread.
Rather than any comment on peoples gender makeup I take this to be looking at the somewhat serious issue of who should be allowed to compete in woman's sport. My personal view (and I hope I'm not called a bigot for airing it) is that world level competition should be based on which gender of body you have at birth. If a formerly Male athlete is winning in the female competition then there will always be question marks over her.
I realise there are many people who identify as a different gender to the body they were born with but allowing this in sport creates a risk of people gender doping. I would define this to be where a person is pretending to identify as a different gender in order to gain an advantage. ie a man pretending to identify as a woman in order to compete in woman's sport.
@Gembo, Well done on getting us back on thread. My friend's bike is obviously E when you get close enough to see the massive rear hub. Other less obvious options are of course available:
https://cyclingtips.com/2015/04/hidden-motors-for-road-bikes-exist-heres-how-they-work/
If a formerly Male athlete is winning in the female competition then there will always be question marks over her.
I think you meant to say, "If a female athlete who was assigned male at birth is winning competitions then it is wrong to assume she would always win." There are cis women athletes who win more often than non-cis women athletes.
who identify as a different gender
"Identify" implies a choice that may be subject to variation or is somehow suspect. Rather, one is possessed, or is not possessed, of one kind or another of gender identity.
a person is pretending to identify as a different gender in order to gain an advantage.
People have always been able to do that. People have always been able to use the 'wrong' toilet, too, but most people don't because of social convention.
Some people probably have tried gender expression fraud in their sporting discipline. The nature of being an athlete – for this argument – is to be better than someone else by using one's physical advantage.
The core aspect to self-ID is that it removes the hitherto intrusive medicalism inherent in the process of confirming ID, and does so with certain restrictions that prevent or criminalise frivolous, fraudulent and/or repeated applications.
If it were easy, male athletes would spuriously show up in women's competitions with underdeveloped secondary sexual characteristics, wipe the floor with both unbridled success and a hell of a lot of self-confidence to face the media and competitors, and then suspiciously disappear to undo all that pretence. Except that they would be breaking the law because they would have originally signed their affidavit that said they wouldn't do that.
I don't want to start a whole thread about this, because it's a debate in which some people may not feel empowered to take part, and for anyone here who has no such advocate I also don't want to let this go unchallenged.
Thanks Arrelcat.
now two vanmoofs in the bike lock up at work... One S2 and one X2. We always park them together like a little vanmoof couple.
what is the battery life of a vanmoof?
what is the name of the people who lend you the £3000 to buy one?
I just like the name Vanmoof.
Vanmoof!
Sorry.
Battery life is roughly 50km of Edinburgh hilliness on top speed pushing bike at top pace and using the boost quite a lot. bear in mind I weigh over 100kg and carry a fair amount too and from work. When my wife rides the battery goes down far slower and I think she'd get nearer 70km per charge.
If I put the motor onto level 3 rather than 4 I cut battery usage by about 25% for a 10% reduction in assistance.
thanks @arobcomp, how long you had it for, how many recharges and please remind me of the name of the loan company ta
Had it since January. charged maybe twice a week.
Loan company was energy saving trust e-bike loan.
Ta
I think you meant to say
One of the many things I like about CCE is that it's an assemblage of intelligent and interesting people who are able and willing to write honestly and with sensitivity on many topics. There are contributors with whom I have virtually nothing in common philosophically beyond a love of bicycles and that is a very welcome thing these days.
It seems to me that a free society depends on our being at liberty both to give offence and to be wrong. Pretty much all of the principles we currently think of as self-evident and fundamental were fairly recently considered contrary to public decency and established law. They were offensive and incorrect. If we all have to avoid offending each other then progress is at an end because free speech is at an end. You can always find somebody who’ll be offended by the most anodyne proposition. It is my belief that all ideas should be permissible and that all ideas should be debatable. That's because I can't see a better way of selecting good, true and useful ideas and rejecting false ones. This comes at the price of our all having to tolerate a degree of offence from time to time and also having to stand ready to renew the defence of ideas we believe in.
If I ever drift into the realm of policing or correcting anyone else's speech or writing here without an explicit invitation to do so then I will delete my account.
Be prepared for a VERY long and tiring & time-wasting wait if you apply for an Energy Saving Trust eBike loan. Took them 5 weeks and lots of emails from me to even begin to look at mine. Then they immediately rejected it. I had to phone and ask why (they said they'd emailed but I never got an email) - apparently I'd failed the credit check.
But you're allowed to appeal by registering for your own credit check at a site they suggest, and can submit the results back to them for re-consideration.
Strangely, my own credit check showed that my credit record was perfect (and had been perfect for the 21 years it was available for at my current address) and nothing short of glowing with praise. Why they'd failed me I don't know. So I sent it back to them for re-appraisal, only to be told that it could be some weeks before they could look at it, then another few weeks to process the application again after that, then likely another few weeks after that to get final signoff from management.
After having repeatedly phoned the bike shop to ask them to delay getting the bike ready for collection AGAIN, the thought of waiting months more, and the number of chasers I'd be sending, drove me to telling the EST to cancel my application and I ended up just paying for the bike myself out of my savings.
So, be aware that you're going to need a LOT of spare time, patience and the desire to be constantly monitoring the application's progress and sending chaser emails. And doing your own credit checks after you fail theirs.
Thanks @threefromleith
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