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Alternatives to showers at work

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  • Started 7 years ago by paddyirish
  • Latest reply from frippery13
  • poll: Would any of the following be viable?
    Cycle Slowly - Short commute : (10 votes)
    20 %
    Cycle Very Slowly - Long Commute : (3 votes)
    6 %
    Wet wipes : (7 votes)
    14 %
    Dry Shower Product : (0 votes)
    Use a municipal Shower facility close to work : (1 votes)
    2 %
    Other : (9 votes)
    18 %
    No, all medium sized and bigger employers should provide showers : (20 votes)
    40 %

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  1. paddyirish
    Member

    On another thread, some have said that the lack of a shower at work is a barrier to cycle commuting.

    No idea how to add a poll here, but there are a few alternatives that I have tried

    1) Cycle so slowly that you don't work up a sweat
    2) Use Wet wipes
    3) Shower at e.g. Commie pool and then change to work clothes for last part of journey (for those coming a long way)
    4) Use dry shower products - I've tried Muc Off's one and it is pretty good.

    Any other ideas?

    EDIT * Now know how to add a poll- post comment :-)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. Min
    Member

    The suggestion of carrying wet wipes is the single greatest barrier to cycling in this country. I hope you are ashamed of yourself.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. 5) Shower at home, cycle reasonably quickly, dry off and refresh (Glasgow shower?) at work knowing you're putting on clean clothes and so the smell of sweat* will not rise during the day.

    *(I remember being told once (and this may be untrue) that the smell of sweat was once it was clinging to clothes, and so if you dry off and use some anti-perspirant then you stop sweating and you put clean clothes on that aren't tainted).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. ih
    Member

    You're right @Wilmington the sweat itself doesn't smell but it's the natural bacteria on the skin that breaks the sweat down into acids that pongs.

    All my information is from this short item on NHS Choices http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-odour/Pages/Introduction.aspx . This implies that to avoid problems where no showers are availaable, keep clean generally to reduce natural bacteria, towel off thoroughly at work, put on fresh clothes especially those clothes in contact with the naughty bits.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. Min
    Member

    Yes I have done that before too and it is fine. I prefer to have a shower at work though. I didn't know it was wrong.

    The showers at my work are used quite heavily by people who go running at lunchtime as well so are a good idea in general if any employer is even vaguely cares about getting its workers active.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. acsimpson
    Member

    Sadly we don't have a shower in the office. I can work the first half hour or so in the day in my cycling stuff until I actively stop sweating* then have a quick wash at a sink when changing.

    *It's not that I cycle particularly quickly just that the last mile of my commute is uphill and I go straight into a heated office.

    I think requiring employers to provide sufficient onsite showers would be a better way to get people cycling than C2W.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. Ed1
    Member

    I cycle 8 and bit miles to work each way in last month only driven 4 days cycled the rest. There is one shower at work but 300 about people.

    I have had a disciplinary for smelling so may be not the best to give advice.

    I find that if in summer can cycle to work and not smell enough to get a disciplinary if wear deodorant fresh clothes shoes alternative days and perfume sent.

    In winter because of multi layers not sure so easy that’s when got disciplinary.

    I cycle very slowly up hills and try and let the bike freewheel as much as can sometimes like today someone goes past then try and keep up then sweat.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. jdanielp
    Member

    I shower before setting off, cycle reasonably quickly and then get changed into fresh clothes at work as suggested by WC. There are showers available if I could be bothered with the faff. Having said that, I benefit from an almost entirely gradient-free commute along the canal towpath...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. jonty
    Member

    I have a relatively short commute, but it includes climbing up Canonmills, Rodney Street, Broughton Street and Leith Street. I don't sprint it but don't go particularly slowly either (although a guy on a fetching blue and pink singlespeed did overtake me on Broughton Street this morning.)

    My main strategy is to always wear shorts and a tshirt, maybe conceding a shirt on the coldest days. On the very hottest days of the year I sometimes come in a bit sweaty, but it's nothing a paper towel and spray of some deoderrant can't sort.

    So I guess my strategy is "steady pace, fewer clothes."

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. "Yes I have done that before too and it is fine. I prefer to have a shower at work though. I didn't know it was wrong. "

    :-/ Was just suggesting my alternative, not that showering is 'wrong'. I've a deep deep dislike of communal showers, and (personally, for me, in no way indicative of what other people should or shouldn't do) I can get away with showering at home.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. Min
    Member

    Was just suggesting my alternative, not that showering is 'wrong'.

    No, you didn't.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. *paranoid*

    I've never heard of those dry shower products - may have a look at that.

    EDIT: as in I am paranoid!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. steveo
    Member

    No, you didn't.

    Wasn't me this time! ;)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. minus six
    Member

    having been hospitalised with bacterial pneumonia a decade ago, fairly sure it was acquired in a communal showering environment.

    so its wet wipes and towel for me.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. deckard112
    Member

    I'm a little surprised no-one has mentioned just washing in the sink? I've had to do that a few times when our offices showers have been out of order. I'd typically have my main shower at home, ride to work then a quick freshen up using the sink with warm water and soap!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. acsimpson
    Member

    @deckard,

    Someone did mention it further up the thread (me). I'm glad I'm not the only one.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. mercury1and2
    Member

    I cycle for a living and I dont have showers at work - I say Im stinky and that it. My concession if any is that i wear merino as much as poss.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. mgj
    Member

    My commute is downhill; I can get away without a shower unless I get caught in the rain. My employer does provide plenty of showers though.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    Min, who did suggest it was wrong? I'm just trying to make sure cycling appeals to the most people possible. Telling them part of cycle commuting involves showering/changing is, frankly, a barrier.

    If folk want to cycle and shower that's absolutely fine, but city cycling culture doesn't involve showering, it involves dressing for your destination, be that work, shopping on a Saturday or a night on the town. The latter 2 aren't viable options if showering is seen as a necessity.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. wingpig
    Member

    "...shopping on a Saturday or a night on the town. The latter 2 aren't viable options if showering is seen as a necessity."

    Shop staff and pub employees cannot subject their customers to disciplinary proceedings based on their odour, though.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. Min
    Member

    Telling them part of cycle commuting involves showering/changing is, frankly, a barrier

    Who does tell them that? You brought it up.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    It's what those who don't cycle think is necessary and it's implied by cycling fast, getting sweaty and having to change. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that, but it's not a route to mass cycling.

    The implication of this poll is that anyone who works for a small employer can't cycle because their employer won't have showers. Or can't meet their friends in town for a coffee without showering first, or can't go for a meal in the evening unless the restaurant has a shower.

    I really thought this was received wisdom in cycle advocacy. Sorry...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. Harts Cyclery
    Member

  24. Min
    Member

    It's what those who don't cycle think is necessary and it's implied by cycling fast, getting sweaty and having to change.

    People who don't cycle already have a negative perception of cycling, that is why they don't cycle. I should thing that showering is waaay down the bottom of the list. I have never heard of anyone trying to claim that you need a shower just because you rode to the shops or out for a coffee. Never.

    I should think that people who work for an employer with no shower and a long commute would be put off cycling, yes.

    And as for cycling fast and getting sweaty? Well perhaps I could cycle up steep hills I can't avoid without getting sweaty if I was super fit? Perhaps I could ride slowly along the other bits if I had the solid brass genitals needed to brush off threats and aggression from motorists for "getting in their way"?

    That all sounds pretty offputting to me but then as someone who already cycles I am not the target audience. Maybe people really will be lining up to start riding slowly along to the tune of a cacophony of car horns and figuring out the logistics of getting up a hill without sweating.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. DaveC
    Member

    Ask for a shower, when they answer NO, partially strip & flannel off in the reception area and tell all appalled visitors that your huge company won't stretch to one single shower for all of your [insert number here] staff company.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. Mind. Bleach.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    Min, you seem to taking this all rather personally, which is unfortunate. Whatever you do to make sure you ride a bike is up to you. And as I've said before, everyone on a bike is a hero whatever their routine/arrangements.

    However, my concern in these deates is not those who already cycle despite the conditions and barriers, it's those who don't. These are the people we need to convince if we want mass cycling. Now, of course, there are a whole host of reasons why folk don't cycle, but this particular thread is about the perceived need for showering and the availability thereof being a barrier to cycling.

    My point, and the fact of the matter, is that in established cycling cultures, where large numbers of people make relatively short journeys (under 5 miles) for work and leisure (that's travelling to leisure pursuits, not the cycling itself) then showering is a non-issue. They cycle slowly, with as much exertion as a brisk walk, and they dress for their destination. Sure, they'll have waterproofs and such, but only in the same way that a pedestrian would.

    The Mikael Colville-Anderson blog I linked to explains it well (And I hadn't actually read it before; I googled it as a result of this thread.):

    "If we look at this from an 'overcomplication of a simple thing' point-of-view, this Bicycle Commuting angle is hardly cycling simplified. It is primarily advocated by 'avid cyclists' who happily commute long distances to get to work. Which is great for them. Unfortunately, it sends signals to the population at large that Bicycle Commuting is a hard slog, a work-out, a sacrifice - however rewarding. It paints a picture of long commutes, even though 50% of Americans, for example, live within 8 km of their workplace.

    I often look at urban cycling as a product and then look at how we're selling it, comparing it to most other marketing. Bicycle Commuting isn't really effective as mainstream marketing. It's sub-cultural. It involves a massive financial investment. Just look at this "Guide to Cycling in Winter" from the Toronto Star. It's so very silly, but I'm sure that it gives the sporting goods industry a hard on.

    Then there's the focus on having showers at work. Something that people in established bicycle cultures find to be rather odd. Not having showers at work - I know many people here in Copenhagen who ride long distances and who have showers and changing rooms at work - but it really is a tiny minority.

    The primary advocates of Bicycle Commuting like gear and showers at work. They like the hard-core aspect of cycling. The sportif aspect. They're 'cyclists' and that's great."

    Of course, I care an awful lot about people that cycle at the moment of all shapes/sizes/types whether it's utility cycling, commuting, racing, leisure etc., it's my livelihood after all, and I do my very best day-to-day to make sure their wheels keep turning. But the real prize for Edinburgh as a city is mass cycling and that's what drives my thinking in these debates.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. Min
    Member

    Ah yes. Copenhagen. Everything is perfect here. We cycle slowly. All those people who can't because the culture doesn't allow it. It is THEIR fault that other people don't cycle.

    Fact is, showers encourage people to cycle to work here. And unless you can point me to all the people who insist that they need a shower after a couple of miles of gentle pootling I am going to go ahead and assume that they aren't cycling for other reasons.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Sorry, ... drift....

    Isn't Edinburgh already (almost) a mass walking city though? Someone with greater access to, or memory for the figures will be along to correct me (these are from memory), but isn't the make up of Edinburgh (residents) commuters somewhere in the order of:

    Walk: 40%
    Cycle: 10%
    Bus: 25%
    Driver: 25%

    The problem in Edinburgh, is people from the Lothians / Fife bringing their cars into Edinburgh, not the locals driving them. 75% of the local population doesn't use a car in town very often.

    Edinburgh on those figures looks more likely to have a walking revolution than a cycling one...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "Edinburgh on those figures looks more likely to have a walking revolution than a cycling one..."

    Interesting assertion!

    It's possible Edinburgh has reached 'peak walking' and the only increase/mode switch is likely to be cycling.

    BUT

    We'll never know until the pedestrian infrastructure is better!

    If only there was a pedestrian advocacy group who could see that cyclers/campaigners could be allies more than enemies...

    Posted 7 years ago #

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